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 02-09-2004, 07:37 Post: 76415
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I'm pretty sure now that I must have a lemon...
- When I first bought this tractor (new), in November of 2002, it was delivered a day late because of a cut radiator hose (from the fan blade) that the dealership noticed, when loading it on the truck, to be delivered.
- Then, when they fixed that problem and delivered it, I discovered right away that it had a defective eHydro controller, since half the time, it wouldn't move when I tried to go forward or backwards.
- And, in the spring, I discovered that the tractor developed an oil leak in the left/rear wheel seal. (It had to go back to the dealership again)
- Last summer, the tilt steering mechanism stopped working and they came out to put in a new one (another known defect)
- Okay, you'd think I'd finally had enough bad luck, but when I was out snowblowing the driveway over the weekend, and at one point when I went to back up, it wouldn't move (either forward or backwards). After about 10 seconds of trying, it started to back up, and I then noticed a 'hot' smell, and no sooner than that, the tractor lurched and died. Even the lights wouldn't work. When I checked to see if the battery cables were tight, I found that the battery was quite hot to the touch, so I disconnected it.

Now, I'm waiting for the dealership to open so I can call about this....

I will be sure to post what I find out, once they figure out what the problem is (I'm guessing something electrical).

Anyone else out there having such lousy luck with their John Deere?

- Tim






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 02-09-2004, 13:58 Post: 76435
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I bought my 4410 in September of 2002. I have had problems with the battery venting electolyte and being drawn into the radiator during use for prolonged periods in hot weather. I think this is a battery problem aggrivated by placement up against the transmission oil cooler. The tilt wheel mechanism IS kinda el cheapo but mine still works. Other than those issues; I have had very good performance from mine. Sorry to hear that you are having such bad luck. I am sure your dealer will make it right. Be patient and hang in there.






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 02-09-2004, 15:06 Post: 76443
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Here's a link to the recall notice. No problems on mine yet but my S/N is just a hundred or so below the low end of the serial number range. I'm curious to know whats different between mine and those. I don't sweat recalls too much - it seems like every new vehicle I've ever bought has had at least one recall. These are complicated products after all and God knows I've worked on a lot of complex systems that are never bug-free when shipped. But when something starts spending a lot of time in the shop instead of on the job I get a little bugged.






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 02-09-2004, 15:07 Post: 76444
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I wonder if the lemon laws apply to tractors.
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 02-09-2004, 15:15 Post: 76446
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If it were mine I'd start talking nicely to my dealer about replacing it or extending the warranty for free. Might even escalate to the JD rep.






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 02-09-2004, 18:50 Post: 76461
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 My 4410 with only 61 hrs died

Give the dealer a chance to help you. If he does not help you, call the section rep and have all the data concerning the problems and time line of the problems. Give the Rep a chance to help you but if he starts double talking. Mention thay you know about the Consumer Product Safety Commission mandate for these dear models. If the engine is dead , I have to believe that the transmission had something to do with that failure. Make sure you have your service records because they will ask you to produce them. They may wipe the JD files so ask your dealer to print your records off for you before you contact the JD rep. I hope you resolve your problem quickly. I'd trade this unit or ask JD if they would give you a subsidized trade. That stinks but get out of a bad situation with your lemon unit.






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 02-09-2004, 21:24 Post: 76471
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I would check the relay module in the lower left corner of the fuse panel. I've seen a couple of these fail for no apparent reason. If you pull it out you might see a burnt spot on it. Pop in a new one and you are good to go.






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 02-11-2004, 08:13 Post: 76621
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 My 4410 with only 61 hrs died

It does sound like you have had your fair share of problems and several other peoples too! Be patient and get the dealer to trade you out of the tractor. You definitly need to replace the whole wiring harness on that thing as well as all electronic's. There is a flaw or a short there somewhere.






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TimInNH, please keep us posted on how this is resolved. Inquiring minds want to know! Good luck.






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 02-11-2004, 13:06 Post: 76645
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Hi All -

Thanks much for all the support and suggestions. I really do appreciate it!

Well, according to the guy I talked with on the phone, after I got home on Monday, the 'positive' lead from the battery, was rubbing against 'something' (I wasn't told what), and this is what caused it to short out.
And, when I was listing off all the problems to the dealer, that I have had so far, he said that more than likely when the person replaced the radiator hose, when it was cut and leaked out radiator fluid (the day before it was to be delivered to me), they probably routed the cables/wires in the wrong spot. I can definitely believe this since I find it very difficult to close the front panel, since the cables/wires that are attached to the radiator 'tube' (not sure of the proper term) stick out so far that I can't get the side of the front panel to fit in where it's supposed to be.
So, when they come back on Thursday, to replace the cable, I asked they they also re-route the cables where they should be.
When I asked the dealer if John Deere would kick in an extended warranty at no charge, because of all the problems I've had, he said that he doubted they would and left it at that. Guess I didn't sound pissed enough......
But, I would still like to talk with someone from John Deere to see if I can at least have some sort of compensation for all the crap I've gone through with this tractor.

Thanks again everyone. Hopefully this will be the last problem for quite some time. I'm dreading breaking the 100 hour mark (just kidding...)

I'll post any other information that I find out, too.

- Tim






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