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 01-31-2004, 09:39 Post: 75544
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Hi all...my first post:

I am seriously considering a 4110gear w/410 loader ($13k with weight box on special). Along with everyone else, I am having trouble deciding many things as far as competition (also looking at MF since I like shuttle shift) and would very much like some advice from those who own or know this tractor regarding these issues:

- Can the loader functions be used simultaniously (i.e. lift and dump same time)? This would be a big downfall if not since I am used to operating heavy equipment.

- Would the H-L-N-R lever be realistically used as a "shuttle" from forward to reverse or is it not designed this way? I do a lot of loader work, and again am used to forward-reverse up near the wheel. I am just picturing maybe keeping it in 3rd gear low or 1st gear high much of the time and going from H or L to R a lot thus simulating a shuttle.

- Is the top link all-in-one casting with the rear diff. a weak point? I get the impression it may be. I plan to have this for many years and possibly build my own hoe for this some day, since they are way too expensive, as well as using PHD at some point.

- How would this Yanmar engine start on -20 degree Maine morning without a block heater (would use one normally...but just in case)

- Any other known problems/weaknesses/etc with this model?

- Does $13k with 410 fel and ballast box sound like a decent deal?

Thanks a lot Smile

ps I really don't think I want a hydro model although I know it would be ideal for loader work I just don't care for it maintenance-wise, price-wise and long-term wise (in 10-20 years when the clutch wears out I can replace it and go back to work, but when the hydro tranny breaks..you are at the mercy of dealer it seems to me)






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 01-31-2004, 11:38 Post: 75554
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DennoAce, would suggest the hydro if you have FEL work in mind. It is just a better all round system.

Yes FEL functions can be use simultaniously.

The 4110 does not have an HLR clutch pack type trans. like JD 450 does. Just high and low and no it cannot be used as a reverser like an HLR. The shift is simply a H & L range shift. The trans is a collar shift for the gear trans and HST for the hdyro.

This tractor would be marginal for a hoe and a SMALL PHD would work but not very well. I would suggest the 4115 or 4310 for this use.

I know of no issue concern top link weakness. Maybe some others on the board can speak to that.

Yanmars are good starters in cold weather. They use a glow plug preheat system.

Other than being a bit low on hp. The 4110 is a very good tractor for the use it was designed for.

You may want to look at a 4115 or 4310 especially if you plan on using a PHD. Get the down pressure kit with the PHD.

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 01-31-2004, 11:41 Post: 75555
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Here is a link to give you an idea of reasonable pricing. You can make better deals than these prices but they are not bad.

Hope this addresses all of your questions. ;o) Gotta give me some time to think! ;o)






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A lot of questions!

If the 410 loader is like my 430 loader, yes you can lift and dump at the same time. After a bit of use you develop a feel for it. A quick test drive at your dealer will verify the 4110/410 behavior.

Can't answer the gear/shuttle questions.

The top link casting doesn't seem to be a big issue. I've never heard of anyone breaking one on any of the 4000 series tractors. With the relatively low lift capacity I doubt it would be an issue.

The Yanmars seem to start just fine in cold weather. I'd opt for a block heater in your part of the country, and of course you need to make sure your fuel is treated properly for the cold weather.

Prices vary a lot in different areas of the country and depend on the dealer and whether a model is selling hot or cold. One good way to determine a fair price is to go to the Deere website and build&price your machine. That will give you the retail price. A rule of thumb seems to be you should be able to get at least 10% off list and maybe as much as 20%. You can ask the dealer to throw in things to sweeten the pot as well, such as free 50 hour service or free pickup and delivery for service or free fluids and filters. Of course you need to make sure they give you hats Smile

The hydros are extremely reliable. My impression is that more people have to replace clutches than repair hydro trannies.






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 01-31-2004, 11:43 Post: 75559
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Where are my manners? I forgot to welcome you to the forum.

Welcome to TractorPoint DennoAce! When you buy be sure to post your pictures. We all like pictures here Smile






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 01-31-2004, 11:50 Post: 75561
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well thanks a lot guys for the help. I was a little impatient, sorry! Smile

Chief, I get what you are saying about not being able to "shuttle" from F-R like a real shuttle trans, but what I mean is it still seems a lot easier than say a 790 with just a gear shift...with the 4110 I can just stop, push clutch and go into reverse, then back to forward (low or high) with the same H-L-N-R lever, while keeping the 4-spd trans in say...2nd gear the whole time. Maybe that is not realistic and of course I will go play with the machine to see how it feels before I buy one but just wondering what you guys think on that type of use of the "auxillary" trans as I would call it. (the H-L-N-R)






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 01-31-2004, 11:57 Post: 75565
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Welcome DennoAce,
I don't have a Deere, but if you mention the proposed use(s) for your Compact Utility Tractor, I'm sure the members will be happy to relate their experiences and opinions.
By the way, if you're near Waterville, I had good experiences at Hammond's.
Be sure to test drive before making any final decisions.

(Will it ever warm up? Guess we had our January Thaw in December!)
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 01-31-2004, 12:08 Post: 75566
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well thanks blizzard, isn't it fun living in maine?

My uses would be pretty typical, with 14 acres and a 600' gravel driveway: General dubbin', Snow management, garden, building trails, hauling wood, etc etc etc ... The thing is I run heavy equipment for a living and am very used to shifting a lever to the left of the wheel for forward-reverse and find it very awkward otherwise, such as with my little 15hp satoh beaver with loader which has just a 3spd trans with H-L. This is one reason am consider Massey as well...they seem to be the only one (other than Kioti) who offer a true shuttle on a budget-type tractor. The L3130 Kubota has it I guess but I don't have a good feeling about Kubota for some reason.

I am still leary of the hydro maintenance/longevity-wise but maybe I should reconsider. It does seem awful handy to be able to have infinate range.

ps I did go to Hammond in Fairfield and actually the price for a 4110 I was quoted was quite a bit higher than the deal they have right now at Chad Little (Brunswick) in Uncle Henry's a 4110gear with loader for $13k






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Kubota makes a good machine but I went with Deere because it just felt better to me (joystick, pedals, seating position, etc).

You're right that the hydro has more maintenance than the gear. You'll need to do regular fluid and filter changes.

The infinite range, though, is awesome. A few folks have complained about the two-range limitation on some machines and I can see how it would be less than optimal in some circumstances.

The 4210-4710s have eHydro trannies which have some features you might find useful. I particularly like the LoadMatch feature. It modulates the transmission so you really can't stall the engine with it when shoving into a pile or climbing a steep hill, regardless of the range you find yourself in. I don't think you can get the eHydro on the 4110-4115 tractors.






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 01-31-2004, 13:01 Post: 75572
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thanks for the replies. Talk about options! With so many brands and tranny/other options...it's worse than buying a new vehicle!

I am still on fence re: hydro vs. gear...i see advantages to both! arrgg






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