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 11-10-2003, 22:46 Post: 68445
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 Ballasting 4310 - can this be right

Since I'll be getting new tires I wanted to check into ballasting requirements to possibly avoid loading the rear tires. Looking at the 430 loader manual, it says that IN ADDITION to having calcium loaded rear tires and six wheel weights a 43x0 series tractor requires an additional 1210 lbs of ballast on the 3ph. Can this be right? Yowsa - how on earth can you get enough ballast WITHOUT loading the rear tires?






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 11-10-2003, 23:40 Post: 68446
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Your three point will pick up more than you think. I snatched 1500# off the ground with the BX, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else.

Double check the verbiage though, my 4115/410 manuals specify EITHER wheel weights OR loaded tires (not both) plus 725 to 900 pounds rear ballast.

The 420 loader for your tractor needs liquid ballast plus 550# on the three point or wheel weights plus 770#.






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 11-10-2003, 23:52 Post: 68448
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The 4310 3 point is rated at more than 2000 lbs, so picking it up isn't an issue.

Mark, I see in the loader manual where you got those numbers. The columns for the 430 loader are different - one column is for unloaded tires with no weights and the other is for loaded tires with weights. It may be a typo. As printed it calls for 1320 lbs for unloaded tires with no weights and 1210 lbs with weights and loaded tires.

Thus my confusion. The loaded tires with weights would weigh, what, 1400 lbs already - why would you need another 1210 lbs on the 3-point?






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 11-11-2003, 06:39 Post: 68458
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To really make your tractor feel like a dog, burn a lot of fuel so you can get upset and come to your favorite Kubota guy me, and swap! Sounds like you could be very secure and stable but beyond that, I wouldn't do it. Ag tractors go for 110-120lbs per horsepower and they are made to tear up ground. Normally to not tear up ground you need to be around 90 lbs per horsepower max.






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 11-11-2003, 19:26 Post: 68513
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Ken, I am thinking the 430 loader might weigh 150 pounds more than the 420 model. The ballast numbers might be a bit more based on that, but not 1200 pounds more.






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 11-11-2003, 19:39 Post: 68514
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Something is wrong for that to be needed. I don't want to get into it but that is way to much!






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 11-11-2003, 19:50 Post: 68516
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I'm sure it's another case of JD not double checking their documents before publishing them. These numbers can't be right.






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 11-12-2003, 06:28 Post: 68529
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Or maybe another case of corporate liability lawyers getting into the act.






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Using 'thumb-nail' mathematics, your FEL probably already has about 600 pounds of counterbalance being the back of the tractor and you (no commentary on your waistline intended).

You then would only need to 'top up' the level of counter balance to a little over the maximum lift capacity, probably 1500 pounds, so the figure of 1200 pounds sounds about right.

Bear in mind however, ballast on a tractor is like loading a 'see-saw', the front wheels being the fulcrum or balance point. You have to options to achieve the same results, you can add less wieght, but put it farther back, on the 3pth for example, or you can put a little more weight closer to the fulcrum, say on the rerar wheels, either as loaded tires or wheel weights.

If you are concerned about the tractor chewing up ground (as we are on golf courses) you might want to opt for a 3pth ballast which you can easily and quickly take off when you're not using the loader for anything heavy.

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 11-12-2003, 12:09 Post: 68566
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Murf, that's what I was thinking when I asked the question. The JD loader manual says that I'd need approx. 2600 lbs of ballast for a loader that can lift a maximum of 1200 lbs. It made no sense, thus the question. I thought maybe there was something I was missing, but it seems not.






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