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 07-26-2007, 08:01 Post: 144032
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 John Deere JD 2210 run PTO without operator

I have a 2210 and a Deere 10k generator, among other implements. I've got the house electrical work done to use the generator to power the house but I've discovered a safety feature of the 2210 that is a problem. When the rear PTO is engaged, getting off the seat shuts off the tractor even if the parking brake is set. Is there some additional setting that temporarily disables the shutoff? What's the best way to run rear implements on the 2210 like generators and log splitters out of the seat?






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 07-26-2007, 08:29 Post: 144033
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You have to engage the rear PTO while NOT in the seat to have it run unattended. If you're in the seat and get out it stops. If you're out of the seat before engagement it will probably run fine.






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 07-26-2007, 08:29 Post: 144034
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 John Deere JD 2210 run PTO without operator

There are several methods:

The cobble your way through it would be to either attach a bungee cord and pull the seat down or place a weight on the seat such as gallon milk jug container filled with water or a bag of seed.

The other way would be to disable the switch entirely which is not a good safety practice.






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 07-26-2007, 09:39 Post: 144039
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2210deere,

Safety switches, such as the one under the seat, are there because of lawyers, lawsuits, and product liability insurance. While these safety switches do serve a purpose, they truly are a pain sometimes.

It's generally a bad idea to leave any tractor run while unattended. Some little kid could climb aboard, or get himself wrapped up in the PTO shaft. To leave any tractor run, while unattended, especially with the PTO shaft rotating, is a recipe for disaster.

Aside from these dangers, there are other things that could result from running an unattended tractor, such as a sudden oil leak, or radiator hose leak, which could cause serious damage to the tractor.

It's a tough call. If it were me, I would temporarily disable the safety switch under the seat, but only after warning everyone in the area that my tractor would be running while unattended. The safety switch could be connected up again following the power outage.

It was for these reasons, and others, that I opted for a self-contained generator. I also decided that I would never purchase any PTO driven water pump.

Aside from the fact that my tractor would be unavailable to me for any other use while these implements are being used, I just don't like to take the chance of having some serious malfunction take place when I'm not around, which would could destroy the tractor's engine. Worst of all, is the thought of having some little kid get himself tangled up in the PTO shaft.

Desperate times require desperate measures, but running the PTO while the tractor is unattended, is a risk I'm not willing to take.

Depending on your situation, you may find more peace of mind by selling your PTO driven generator and replacing it with a self-contained unit.


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 07-26-2007, 10:57 Post: 144041
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 John Deere JD 2210 run PTO without operator

Cando, interesting points!






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 07-26-2007, 11:19 Post: 144042
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Put a jumper wire across the circuit under the seat.

I use the PTO for many things. PTO gives you great versatility.

There is only 1 thing run by a PTO I am afraid of and that is the screw type woodsplitter. I'll never touch another one after seeing 1 work for an hour.

Tractor was bought to make my life easier.






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 07-26-2007, 11:23 Post: 144043
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Joel makes some VERY good points.

Having said that however, we do it all the time, but with LOTS of precautions.

First and foremost, if there is even the chance someone will wader up to the machine, it is always surrounded by orange safety fencing which is clearly posted to indicate the hazards.

The tractor is also ALWAYS equipped with "Murphy Switches" to safeguard it if the operator is more than a few feet from it, in case of overheating, low oil level or pressure or low fuel levels or the revs drop below 500 rpm the igntion shuts the machine down to protect it.

Best of luck.






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 07-26-2007, 11:26 Post: 144044
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Cando
You have valid points. The mechanical failure part is perhaps one that I may take a chance on, but the safty issue of small children is definitly one that should be addressed. We use portable dog kennel pannels to surround the generator on camping trips to keep the kids away from it perhaps they could be used to surround the tractor and generator. They could be locked to keep children from entering. As far as disableing the switch I think I would go with the weight in the seat method since it would automaticly return the tractor back to original safty switch operation when you move the tractor. You will most likely move the weight to drive the tractor.

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 07-26-2007, 12:21 Post: 144049
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Dear friends,

There is a time and place for most any of these implements. During a flood, there is nothing that moves more water, in a short amount of time, than a PTO driven water pump. However, such pumps should only be used in rural areas, where the tractor can be left unattended for days at a time.

I use my PTO all the time. There's nothing better for running an auger, a tiller, or a mower. However, in all such cases I'm never more than a few feet away from the machine.

Putting a fence around the tractor and generator, or pump, is a very good idea. In fact, this may be the only method I would consider using. However, I always feel that it is so much more easier to drop a self-contained pump, or generator, onto the ground where it is needed. This leaves me free to use my tractor to help solve the drainage problems while the pump is running. It also frees my tractor up for hauling firewood to the house when the power is out.

I don't like changing oil on an engine any more than does the next guy. Limiting the number of engines, batteries, and tires on the farm is always a goal. However, there are times when a self-contained unit is the best option......if only for safety reasons......which is always my first concern.

It's good to have these discussions. I am always trying to figure out a better way to do things.

Have a great day, my friends.

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It's always good to keep precautions in mind but these threads wander far afield from the original question. Again, I'll bet if you engage the PTO when off the seat you won't have to mess with disabling any safety switches with jumper wires. I used my JD 4310 with a 3-point chipper successfully without any weight in the seat and without messing with jumper wires and the 2210 is probably similar.






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