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 09-15-2002, 20:20 Post: 42430
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When i mow with a LP FDR25-84 or the 54" deck on a X595, the dirt and grass clippings combine to build-up on the deck underside. Sometimes it gets very thick, and impedes the exit chute; it gets almost brick-like hard. Other times grass clumps will build up and eventually spit out. I suspect the moisture in the crud will also rust the deck out eventually.
So i've seen a graphite coating at dealers and TSC/F&F type stores. Some types are just a graphite powder+binder, others have the graphite in a suspension of acrylic that is supposed to adhere better. The labels claim benefits for plow blades, etc. Can anyone comment on whether this stuff works for mowers to improve the out-flow of clippings?
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 09-16-2002, 08:03 Post: 42467
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These products may well help. I've also heard of a product that some people spray on loader buckets and blower chutes to keep snow from sticking, which might be an alternative. I'd think about something that forms a thick coating. The costing may crack or be somewhat porous, which could trap moisture under the coating and cause the deck to rust faster.






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 09-17-2002, 07:32 Post: 42527
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We have had excellent luck with the Silver Streak gatorback blades for solving the grass build-up problems with those decks. They offer more lift and tend to tear the grass a little more and give a more even discharge. Most all of our commercial mowers in the area are useing them and the commercial JD people keep coming back for more and raving about them. I don't know if they will solve your problems but it sounds a lot easier and I have seen the differences on the used ones I've had a chance to play with before selling them.






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 09-17-2002, 13:15 Post: 42539
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ArtWhite:
are the gatorbacks available for my LP-25-84 and the 54" deck on my x595?
do I talk purchasing details to you via email?
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 09-18-2002, 10:48 Post: 42574
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Are the Gator Blades avialable for a Case M160 MMM?
If so how do I get in touch to get 3
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 09-18-2002, 17:47 Post: 42597
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Guys, blades are only part of the reason for build-up. Manufacturers like Scag and Gravely offer coated and/or plated high lift blades to increase life and reduce build-up, but that is all they do, reduce it and not eliminate it. Mulching decks are the worse for grass cake, followed by mowers with discharge plate covers. Open discharge type mowers resist build-up best, and if that is the type you have, you may be mowing at the wrong time and the wrong rpm. Grass should not be mowed when it is wet, even morning dew can cause it to turn into cake causing it to stick. Every pro I know, myself included, tries to hold off until the grass is dry, but business being what it is these days we all too often start early and finish late (I mow 8 large lawns on the weekend, ten on week nights). Mowing ten or more acres a day is about the norm, seven days a week. This much work can build-up grass fast in the course of a week during prime growing season, that's why we sharpen every other day and scrape the housing with a sharp putty knife as needed. As for spray on or brush on stuff, Tom G is right; sooner or later it cakes and cracks causing more drag. What I do for this kind of situation is done during off season, and that is strip out the blades and spindles, power wash and sand blast the under-deck, prime it, paint it, wax it with a silicone wax, and put it back together for spring. In short, I know of no magic fix for this problem, just good mowing practices and good maintenance done on equipment kept up to manufacturers' spec.'s.






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 09-18-2002, 20:16 Post: 42605
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Ted: i appreciate your thoughts but i don't agree with several points.
- i don't see your point about mowing wet. unless you're in AZ or NM, most folks can't avoid mowing wet or damp grass. you confound your point by conceding you can't be selective when you mow. I have 2 weekend days that aren't always dry. and even the water content of green grass is enough to cause matting up. the caking really gets bad with the dirt and dust being kicked up and mixing with the grass. The objective is to find something that minimizes the caking despite the conditions.
- who mows at the wrong rpm? L&G equipment (mowers, tractors, etc) basically can only run at max engine speed; tractors and equipment all have have clear instructions to run at the recommended PTO speed (540 or whatever).
- my LP-FDR-25-84 is a reardischarge -- minimal deck interference, short pathway out from under, etc. It still gets full in the corners and bends and chute area.
- what causes more drag than a build-up of grass and dirt?
Tom's supposition that erosion of an undercoating will have significant drag is a stretch.
- it doesn't take 10 acres of mowing to build up the crud, it takes less than 30 minutes, and then it just reduces the effectiveness of the deck design from then on.
- i didn't read into ArtWhite's suggestion that a special blade will eliminate the problem, but if it increases air movement, turbulence or whatever, and thereby reduces the buildup, its worth a shot (he did say he's got satified customers).
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 09-18-2002, 22:16 Post: 42612
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I don't have any problems with my deck, a Bulher building up grass, but did with my LP.
I wonder is a good injection mold release agent might be used to release the grass from the deck? If you could just lift the deck and spray it on it might be worth it.
Below is a table of one brand of mold release agents. I can't recommend it as I have never used it. I would have to look around to find the brands I have used.






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I don't have any problems with my deck, a Bulher building up grass, but did with my LP.
I wonder is a good injection mold release agent might be used to release the grass from the deck? If you could just lift the deck and spray it on it might be worth it.
Below is a table of one brand of mold release agents. I can't recommend it as I have never used it. I would have to look around to find the brands I have used.






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I guess I was thinking about avoiding a thick coating of any kind, including grass cake, that would retain moisture and increase rusting. Drag wasn't on my mind, but who knows, maybe an idea like anti-stick spray for skillets has some merit.

My riding mower threw a belt, probably from a broken blade-brake and linkage. I've got the deck off now waiting for parts. After almost three years of neglect I was surprised to find very little grass cake. There actually was more cake on top of the deck around the spindles. My wife does most of the mowing now and I guess we have the luxury of picking times but we just wait until the dew dries in the morning and virtually never have to mow even damp grass.

I don't have the luxury of sand blasting but I'll clean up the deck best as I can. I wonder if a naval-jelly type product might slow down the rust. Actually, it looks about the same as three years ago so I must be doing something right. Even neglect has its place I guess.






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