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 12-20-2006, 14:17 Post: 138219
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 Ford 7 3L Diesel glow plugs

"...massive surging when it does catch..."

Get the oil and filter changed and be SURE they use the right spec. and weight of oil.

Change the fuel filter, and add lots of Power Service.

I *guarantee* that will make a world of difference starting.

Also, depnding on how old your batteries are, they may be getting weak. Go to any decent auto parts place, they will check thim, individually, in the truck, just by disconnecting them. I'll bet you have at least one weak battery.

The surging is indicitive of an oil problem. As you probably know, these engines use the motor oil as a hydraulic fluid in the high energy injection system.

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 12-20-2006, 14:45 Post: 138220
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Does the 7.3 not have the manifold heater like the Cummins? When I first got my truck the lights flickering would bother me as the electric heater cut in. I searched the Cummins sites and finally figured out what is was.

If there was a problem with the manifold heaters or heat riser on the Ford it might give similar problems. I am sure my Cummins would have similar problems on a cold day with out the manifold heaters.






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 12-20-2006, 15:00 Post: 138222
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I have stayed in a few hotel/motels over the winter months when I had my PS. I basically walked around the building until I found an out side outlet or If it was a ground level room parked as close as possible and ran an extension cord. Management never had a problem with showing me where one was if I could not find one my self either.

It time issue is why I said what the labor rate was. To get something tore down and then run out of day light can really burn you up (first hand experience over and over again).

The Cummins has the manifold heater in place of glow plugs.






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 12-20-2006, 15:09 Post: 138224
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Murf, fuel filter was changed less than 1,000 miles ago. Oil is standard Rotella and is no more than 2,000-2500 miles old. Batteries are new as of October. My stock ones were going on 7 years old so it was time. The new batteries did make a difference. But she doesn't like those cold mornings when it's 5 degrees F or colder.

My power service is sitting somewhere. I'm not sure where I stashed it. Maybe at my mother's place. I'll have to look for it next time I'm there.

One problem with my hotel is it is a group of several small buildings. The parking lots are spread out and not close to the buildings. I'll look tonight for an outlet, but i don't have my hopes up.

It starts fine now that the mornings have been 20-30 degrees out. It just doesn't like to start when the temp drops. So I'm thinking glow plugs. The dang belt is chirping again too. But I won't change that until I pull my tractor back here. she shifted hard while towing and seemed to cause the belt to slip just a tick. So now it's doing it a touch more. Annoying.






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 12-20-2006, 16:54 Post: 138227
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Ok, as long as you've got that covered, the PowerService will still help IMHO.

The other trick is to cycle the glow plugs more than once. When the glow plugs heat up a 0°'ish temp's a lot of the heat is nearly instantly absorbed by the head itself. If you cycle the glow plugs, then shut the ignition off and wait about 5 seconds, then cycle them again, and try to start it when they go off for the second time I'll bet it starts easier.

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 12-21-2006, 10:54 Post: 138247
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I don't use starting fluid or so far have only on one old backhoe and then WD 40. Have seen it used a lot on bigger diesels when cold. Have impression not good with glow plugs to use it but not sure that is correct. Until you are able to get glow plugs changed, could you use starting fluid?

I have no idea if that is an option or if so is a good option.






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 12-21-2006, 13:48 Post: 138252
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I'm not going to try starting fluid. I used it to good success on my old Oliver tractor. But if that caused damage, no big deal. On the truck... big deal. So I'll just stay away.

I looked at the truck last night while it warmed up in the work parking lot. Getting at the valve covers is a PIA. I may pay someone to do the job. If I was still at my place in Iowa, I'd tackle it no problem. But then I had an enclosed shop and all my tools, lights, step stools, etc to work with. Here, I've got tools only. Just not the best situation for what is needed.






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 12-21-2006, 15:28 Post: 138256
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Yes I think most of us on the board, except Oneace are getting too old to be standing in a snow bank wrenching on cars. One of the coldest jobs I can remember was replacing a clutch on my friends Camaro in Edson AB in April.

What I was trying to get at on my earlier question was whether the there was a heat riser for the incoming air on the 7.3? I have had the pipe corrode out on the back side and not draw air from the exhaust manifold heater into the air box and then wonder why I was getting carb icing. I thought it might be a simple solution that could have been over looked.






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 12-22-2006, 10:01 Post: 138273
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Iowafun,
trying to quote someone else, "I'm just asking"
are you saying that an Oliver engine is tougher than the Ford is? Smile







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 12-27-2006, 13:46 Post: 138366
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Nope, just saying the Ford truck drives me to work and costs more to fix if I screw it up.






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