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 10-02-2009, 09:48 Post: 166108
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Looking for some advise on an issue with Ford 800. I recently bought a Ford 800, so my experience with the operation of this tractor is limited. The issue that I am having is with the lifting of an implement on the 3pt. When having a 5' foot bush hog connected to the 3 pt arms, the lift height is maybe 3" to 4" max. When I detach the bush hog, the lift arms lift, what appears to be 18" to 24" high. I even checked the lift height, by having it lift my body weight by me standing on a lift arm. It seems to lift me full range, no problem. Even checked to see if the float lever made a difference in operation in any position. No difference. I am suspect of a pump issue, maybe going bad or is there an adjustment somewhere on the 800 that would increase the lift height? Any advise, opinions would greatly be appreciated.......
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 10-02-2009, 10:01 Post: 166109
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 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

Do you hear the pressure relief valve hissing when it reaches it's limit of travel with the bush hog attached?






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 10-02-2009, 10:28 Post: 166110
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By having the arms fully lift without the bush hog would indicate that the pump does function and that it has enough flid to lift the arms. What it doesn't indicate is whether the pump is worn enough that it will only lift the weight of the arms.
Does the tractor have hydraulic outlets to hook an auxillary cylinder for lifting an impliment with? If so borrow a pressure guage form a dealer or make one yourslf with coupler and a guage that will read up to 2000 psi. You can get the coupler and a guage from most any farm store.
I don't know how much pressure your pump should generate, but an owners manual or a service manual will tell you. I wouldn't expect it to read right up to new specs. but 10% or so lower than new should lift the mower.






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 10-02-2009, 10:55 Post: 166111
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With the tractor running at the same time of checking the lift I did not notice (hear) the hissing from the pressure relief valve..............I am assuming I should hear it hissing?......displacing air....right?

And also, there are no external hydraulic connection for a pressure check......






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 10-02-2009, 11:32 Post: 166112
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 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

Does this tractor have automatic draft control?

The easy way to tell is if it does it will a) have a movable (pivoting) upper 3pth mounting boss, and b) it will have 2 levers that control the 3pth raise/lower function.

If the auto draft is engaged the weight of the bush hog on the upper link will tell the hitch to stop lifting. Without the upper point connected (such as when you stand on the arms) there is no action in the control (the upper mounting boss) to tell it to stop.

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 10-02-2009, 11:47 Post: 166113
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Murf,
Well I beleive it does have the draft control lever.....which I may have called the float lever, earlier. I doesn't seem to matter which position the lever is in the lift is the same.....My understanding the lever should be vertical........horizontal is more of a float, depth adjustment for plowing....






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 10-02-2009, 12:57 Post: 166114
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 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

There is a h-u-g-e difference between standing on the lower arms and a 5 ft brushhog--my 5' weighs 475 lb.--it's called leverage.

If you weigh 200 lb. and apply that weight to the lower arms that's "X" amount of leverage---but if you stand 5' back on a lever connected to that lower arm it increases your weight 5 times or 1000 lb.

My feeling is the pump is weak, and or th lift piston seal is worn or nearly gone. I know on Fordson 9Ns there were issues with holes in the pistons where the ball pushes on it. My old 2N had a similar issue--turned out the pump was cracked in half and the piston seal was still the leather type which I changed to an O-ring.






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 10-02-2009, 13:06 Post: 166115
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 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

Earthworks i agree.......I will take your 200lbs reference as a compliment. I am 250lbs......anyway......When it lifted me, I was checking to see what it would lift, hopefully not to indicate a completely shot pump. Would it need a new pump or can it be rebuilt...? how can i know for sure if its a pump or lift piston seal?
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 10-02-2009, 13:21 Post: 166117
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Husky;
Only way to know for sure without taking the pump off would be to find a way to tap in to a pressure line coming from the pump with a pressure guage.
Does having the tractor warm, transmission and all make a difference over having everything overnight cold?
I'm not a Ford person, but surely on the internet you can find rebuilt or aftermarket pumps for less than Ford.






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 10-02-2009, 13:39 Post: 166118
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I would say that there is no difference in hot or cold operation, pretty consistent......won't lift more than a few inches.... I will check things out more this evening....keep ya posted...
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