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 08-11-2003, 15:06 Post: 61569
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A general diesel fuel question: I’ve been reading some of the posts of late, and have noticed several comments on fuel octane and fuel additives. Since my knowledge of diesel engines is minimal at best, I was curious: “Is the fuel from the pump not good enough?” And, what performance and power gains can be achieved with various additives? Ultimately I’m trying to decide if I should be adding something to my diesel fuel to make it “better.”






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 08-11-2003, 15:46 Post: 61574
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people claim all sorts of gains, performance, mileage, pump life, injector life, filter life,fuel system cleansing etc. I won't debate if it's true or not. I would say in my opinion it is optional in the warm climates but needed in the colder ones. Where I live you need it in the winter because MOST additives also have anti-gel properties.

Unfortunantely I can attest first hand to the results of failing to use anti-gel additves at 0* ;(






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 08-11-2003, 16:25 Post: 61578
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I use the fuel additive as more of a cheap insurance than anything else to make sure the fuel system gets good lubrication. I cannot stake any scientific claims. My feeling that if the fuel additive does even a small amount of what it claims, it is worth the cost as it is just a few pennies a gallon. The injection pump in my Cummins cost about $1800. I would imagine the injection pumps in our tractors are not very inexpensive either. Like Scott said, in cold weather additive is a requirement to prevent gelled fuel & parafin waxes stopping up filters. Some fuel additives claim to raise cetane levels which aids the combustion process and usually quiets the engine's combustion noise. Ideally, a fuel additive should provide the following:

cetane improver (reduces ignition delay upon compresson)

detergent package (aids cleaning of fuel system)

stabilizes fuel (allows longer storage)

raise lubricity (aids with pump & injector lubrication)

rust & corrosion protection

winterize fuel (prevent gelling of fuel)

de-ice fuel (protect against freezing of any water in fuel)

And let me tell ya. There are a BUNCH of fuel additives out there. You will have to decide which is best for you. I have been using a mix of John Deere Summer Formula, Howes, and Power Service. If you keep an eye out at Walmart, sometimes you can catch the Power Service additive on sale by the case in the big bottles. 96 oz. I believe. I found some for about $11 a bottle. The John Deere additive cost about $26 a gallon. The Howes Diesel Treat I have only been able to find at the Flying J stations.






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"The Howes Diesel Treat I have only been able to find at the Flying J stations."

I like the Howes. I switched over to it from PS out of convenience more than anything. I get it at a Shell station in NJ when I fill up.

I will say when I ran out and then gelled up it got me up and running, I bought some more, added it, stumbled home and after letting it work for a few hours all was right again.













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Thanks for the good info. I think for now I'll give the Power Service a try (Walmart was on my way home). And, since one bottle does 100 gallons, this should last me 'til next spring. Even if it helps in the smallest way, it's well worth the minimal cost.






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If a bottle will last you that long and its in my understanding pretty expensive stuff, you will probably not benefit from it. This does not of course include peace of mind. Those who will benefit are high hour users on much larger equipment where pumps, injectors etc can be very costly especially as for many of the folks that regularly use theese products are utilizeing their equipment for work related purposes. ie, contractors, farmers etc. The same is very true for synthetic oil. You will unlikely benefit at all or very marginally for significantly more cost over conventional oils IF , and I emphasize IF, you change the oil religously as per your maintenance schedule. This same view is clearly posted on the Mobil 1 web site and they sell the stuff. I do think you would reduce some of the knock in your machine witha higher cetane rateing but if you let it warm up a little you can accomplish the same thing.






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I am a believer. That stuff is going in EVERY gallon of fuel I put in my tractor.






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How many hours per year are you putting on your machine and what do you feel the net benefit in $ is at the end ? Do you feel you benefited at all from the extra expense on the machines that you traded in or sold ?






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Right now it is helping me retain some hearing that I can carry into old age. Hard to put a price on that.

REF: steel hood thread.






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Mark,

Out of curiosity; which additive did you use? I have been following the biodiesel discussions over on the TDI board and those guys are using B-100 (100% biodiesel) and say they are noticing an improvement in combustion noise and reduction of strong smelling fumes. That is why I asked you about that yesterday. My 4410 puts out a pretty strong exhaust odor until I have had it up to operating rpm for a few minutes. Then it cleans right up when fully warmed up. I know exactly what you mean about parking it in the garage. It is pretty strong sometimes and sets the smoke detector off.






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