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 08-07-2003, 18:30 Post: 61179
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 Water Wetter by Redline oil -HIGHLY Recommended

Hello all,

I havent seen this product mentioned in the forums but I use it all the time. Its called Water Wetter by Redline oil.
It reduces water cooled engine's temprature 20-30 degrees
or more. I use it in my motorcylces which use to run hot,
and performance cars. Just add it to your coolant system and you will notice the drop after it circulates with use.
I hope this helps those with over heating problems...

www.redlineoil.com

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 08-09-2003, 05:38 Post: 61335
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Despite the ironic name, there are many things wetter than water. I don't know if water plus glycol anti-freeze is wetter or not. I'm guessing the theory here is that reduced surface tension in the coolant improves contact and therefore heat transfer.

I'm not sure if additives that reduce water jacket cavitation also work by reducing surface tension. The additive may be beneficial for things other than over-heating as well, although coolant cavitation is mostly an issue in some large diesel engines. I do know that most owners' manuals don't have much to say about changing the coolant. My dealer says to do it every two years even in tractors that aren't run much and I think that's fairly common advice.






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 08-09-2003, 19:19 Post: 61396
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You can use "wetter than Water" till the cows come home and you will NEVER see a coolant temp drop at the engine. If you want to talk about how fast the heat is transfered from the engine to the radiator that is a different story! The thermostat controls the heat and doesn't open till proper designed operating temp is achieved then it opens no matter what coolant type is used. The temperature probe reports what the thermostat opens at. The only way you could see a difference on your Temp gauge is by changing the thermostat to a lower heat and that reduces diesel effieciency since the engine is running colder

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 08-09-2003, 21:16 Post: 61403
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Jeff R,
Ok then I never personally saw my highest operating temprature drop on my machines by almost 30 degrees because you said it wont happen? And that this product is used in many racing environments and is proven to work regardless of what the hell your thoughts are..
keep in mind the thermostat opens at a set temp ( lets say 165*) it dosent close until the temp is below that mark.
So if your engine climbs to a high of 210* (traffic, A/C)
Your thermostat is open but not cooling the system.
So lets say you add this additive, you find yourself in the same circumstance, but your highest temp is now lets say
195*, wouldnt you call that an "improvement?" Oh I forgot this is a "real life" example

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 08-09-2003, 23:04 Post: 61406
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What you are experiencing is No flow of air over the radiator. That is what causing overheating of cars in heat in traffic. The coolant is returning to the engine just as hot as it left the engine. In compact tractor situations air flow is never a problem because the returning coolant is cooled less than the the temperature of the thermostat. Consequently, your temp gauge sees no temperature difference because the thermostat reduces coolant flow until the thermostat sees it's rated temp. The radiator can only release so many BTUs based on the number of veins and surface area. I challenge you to use your coolant and see if your temperature drops 20-30 degrees. It won't happen. If what you are saying that by using your substance my normal 165 degree diesel engine temperature will drop to 130-145, WHY WOULD I WANT MY DEISEL OPERATING THIS COLD????? Only way a normal diesel overheats is when it is being Worked HARD and the radiator can't get rid of the BTUS because the input BTU have exceded the cooling capabilities of the radiator. Under normal conditions a thermostat will just close till the engine heats the coolant to thermastats temperature and then it opens slowly. In any case I don't want to lose 20-30 degrees of operating temperature even if it could happen. A cold running diesel engine is a inefficient diesel engine. Why do you think those luvored flaps on the grills of the BIG Diesel Peterbuilts are for? Those luvors are temperature controlled to close in the winter to maintain engine temp when the thermostat can't keep the diesel at peak operating effiecientcy because there is so much difference in returning coolant temp and outgoing coolant temp to the radiator because of the super cold air passing over the radiator. Why do you think they use a radiator cap at 15-18 pounds? Because ethyl-glycol under pressure has a higher boiling point than the 212 degrees of H2O. I don't doubt the speed of the transfer of heat using a wetter than water substance, the thing I challenged you on is trying to see that difference on your compacts tractor temperature guage under normal operating conditions. I do use that Redline diesel fuel treatment. WORKS great in the winter in Michigan. TOMG told me about it and I can't say enough about it.






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 08-09-2003, 23:18 Post: 61408
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MArk.
Any radiator has engineered cooling capacity. It has a cooling curve based on the air temp passing through those veins and surface area and the velocity of the water. If the wetter than water substance brings more heat to the radiator than the radiator can get rid of , what did we accomplish? We just made our radiator too small for all the heat it has to get rid off????? The only way we are going to make that coolant cooler is drop the ambient air temp or increase the size of the radiators veins and suface area, decrease the temperature of the input coolant by reducing engine speed.






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 08-10-2003, 07:59 Post: 61427
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Jeff's points are well taken and I do think I was groping for a theory. I think the comment 'under normal operating conditions' is key. Yes, the thermostat should act to keep the temp up, although it would take some time. Thermostats aren't completely sensitive (nor am I) and their operation may not match flow and temp all that well. I'm guessing the temp could do some wondering around within normal operating conditions, as did the crappy box-store thermostat I had in my 1/2-ton before I got a better one.

How much wondering is normal (I do a lot of it myself) who knows? I guess the way I was trying to make sense of it is the case of heavy operation on a hot day. Tractors do over-heat. The thermostat would be fully open and maybe something that increased heat transfer in the rad would lower the temperature, but that case wouldn't be normal operating conditions.






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 08-10-2003, 10:04 Post: 61442
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Personally I feel that tricks used in racing are just that, designed for racing. When you are concerned about the weight and cooling capacity of the rad then the every trick is an advantage.
Like the sticky tires that are used less than one race and replaced may items developed in racing have little utilitarian application. I don't know too many people that want to replace their tires every 250 miles or less.
From what I read the water wetter is design for racing, it has no antifreeze or boiling point elevation qualities. It is simply an additives package, anticorrosives, surfactants and defoamers. All of these are in a good antifreeze already. You are gaining cooling capacity due to the fact that water has a better heat capacity than ethylene glycol water or propylene glycol water. In fact water has a better heat capacity than almost any liquid except PCB's or their replacements. Added to a regular antifreeze solution you would have no visible effect. The information on the site is for water vs water with the Water Wetter Additives. Getting the highest performance from your system on race day only!!!! Unless you want a cracked block next winter.






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 08-10-2003, 10:35 Post: 61445
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The majority of the people on this forum see the benefits
of this product ( certainly no negatives with this product!!) and where it has originated (Racing roots).
Most techniclogical advancements for engines (cars, boat, Bikes..) originate from the racing world and trickle down to other "fields" of engine uses.
It sound like jeff just wants to be an "arm chair engineer"
and come up with is own counter arguement. Its great at parties I'm sure, but dosent last long in the real world..
because in the real world you get tested in what you actaully know, not what you think you know.

This product was offered as a recommended suggestion only. You all have a choice as to use it or not. I understand tractors do not necesitate performance products or machines,
But it may help in its effeciency...






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Tom,

You are correct about the temperature reaction time on the "coil type" thermostats in that reaction time is somewhat slow. Unlike the common coil type of thermostats, I have a different type of after market thermostat in my truck refered to as a "poppit" thermostat and it reacts quicker to temp changes. It does NOT have a visable "coil". I put both of them in hot water with a calibrated thermometer and the poppit type opened alot more quicker and closed faster than the coil type. I don't know what kind a tractor uses or if a poppit type is even available for tractors. I do know the poppit type is twice as expensive than a coil type though.






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