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 09-11-2002, 21:10 Post: 42295
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I have not been running synthetic oil in my diesels as there was very limited availability in my area. Recently Walmat has begun to stock it as has one of the auto store chains (Autozone).
I have been running Shell oil and recently switched my truck over to the synthetic. I am pleasantly suprised I had run synthetic in the 97 Ford truck I had and in my volvo (Quaker and Castrol repectively). I like the way the oil performed in terms of break down but did not see any milage advantage.
The 5.9 L Cummings has a 10% increase in mileage. The truck has a computer therefore the number are evident immediately although it is over 100 miles so far. If this says then over the life of the oil 7500 miles then the saving would be approximately 75 dollars less the extra for the oil 15 dollars. Better protection and 60 dollars in my pocket how can I beat that?
Maybe I will switch everything now.






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I've been thinking about synthetics as well. I've been running NH 0W-30 year round as does my dealer service manager. It does get cold here during the winter and not too many heat waves during the summer. I'm not sure of the cold viscosity of the 0W-30 oil during the summer. It may actually be similar to 10W-30 but I sure wouldn't want to run a hot engine winter or summer with the oil. It sure doesn't slow down the starter during the winter though.

It's a little far for me to go to the dealer just for oil and I think synthetics are available much closer to me. I might have made the switch this year but as I turns out I have to go a meeting next week and I'll be fairly near to the dealer. I'll probably pick up some oil and this and that and then stick with what I'm doing for another year or so. Iím not sure if there is a seal material compatibility issue with synthetic engine oil similar to the Type-F automatic TX fluid issue in cars.






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 09-12-2002, 09:20 Post: 42308
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Peters, you can't beat that. It's the only real free lunch I know of. I have probably said this before, but I have pulled the heads on two cars to replace head gaskets, one after 77,000 and the other at 97,000 miles. Both had run on synthetics through multiple Alaskan winters and some very damn cold starts. Both still had the cross hatching on the cylinder walls. So you save money in the long run and maybe run your engine 300K with little or no mechanical trouble. Win/win.






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Tom, the seal compatibility stories date way back maybe 40 years ago when someone took the early syn's that were developed for high altitude jet engine operation and poured it in a car engine.
Peters certainly is the one to ask about this, but as the companies began to develop the syn/oils for reciprocating engines they added the same types of seal conditioners and other additive packages that they put into mineral oil applications.
In essence, the seal deal is a non-issue. It was dealt with long ago.






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Tom;
There is less in the synthetic oil to cause seal degradation as the oil is all aliphatic hydrocarbons.
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Been running a synthetic blend (Not The Torque Gaurd sold here at the dealer...shhhhhh) for several years in my farm equipment and pick-up. I use a Schaeffer product myself.

Since I started that program, 10 yrs ago, drain intervals have been extended by about 30% for the fleet. I have had no problems. I also use wear metal analysis.

I am a believer, just the saveings on filters alone is worth it. I think you'll get along fine.






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Seems like I have tried a lot of things over the years, Quaker synthetic and semi, Castrol Syntech, Royal Purple and Mobil 1. This is the first that I could see measurable difference in performance in term of gas milage. I saw slight improvements before but not the 10%.
There are a number of factors that must account for the improvement and I am sure it must be engine specific, but the truck is still low miles and nothing was changed except the oil.
The Shell Rotella T is 12.40 a gallon at Wally World here, about double the regular Rotella.






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If that price is right, That is $3.10 per quart. That would be about a buck a quart cheaper than any other full synthetic on the market.
BTW, Eric, I am giong tomorrow to have a close look at a Kioti 1914.






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I recall that parts guy at my dealer did say the NH 0W-30 was a semi-synthetic, so maybe I've already made the switch--well sort of. I don't have a clue what the performance trade-offs between full and semi synthetics might be. I do imagine that synthetics from a box store would be cheaper than NH oil but I don't go through enough of it to be very price sensitive.

It'll be interesting to hear about the Kioti.






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Way back when Hector was a puppy, the standard wisdom was to run 25,000 miles between oil changes. Mobil even printed that on the can. The semi's can along to provide the benefits of syn's but with normal drain intervals and reduced cost. A full synthetic was terribly expensive in relative terms 30 years ago. It was 3 bucks a quart when 4 bucks an hour was a livable wage. But I am sure I am not breaking any news to you boomers out there.






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