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2004-12-23          102865

This is what is building the large tractors at our plant now a day>
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By Dustin Block

MOUNT PLEASANT - A Racine County supervisor criticized the state Wednesday for ordering former prison inmates on community supervision to quit their jobs as replacement workers at CNH Global.




"I understand there's a union issue there," said Supervisor Ken Lumpkin, who had heard of at least 12 people who were told by their parole officer to stop working at CNH. "I feel it is unfair they were pulled off the jobs, especially in a society where many of these young men are seen as deadbeat dads. They're trying to do the proper thing, to take care of their kids, and this dramatic type of action occurs. It give them a feeling of hopelessness."

Members of United Auto Workers Local 180 have been locked out of their jobs at CNH since November. The company is running the plant in Mount Pleasant with replacement workers - some who are former inmates in need of work - supplied by Strom

Engineering.

Should the state allow inmates on community supervision to work at CNH?

The state ordered the former inmates to quit working as replacement workers to avoid a confrontation with the union members, according to a report on the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's Web site.

Union workers have continued to picket CNH's plant and offices in the Racine area during the lockout.

Lumpkin told The Journal Times on Wednesday night that the state's decision was harmful to the ex-prisoners, who are left with little recourse. If they complain, they could upset the union and Department of Corrections.

"Being minorities, many of these people have been locked out and left out of our community," he said. "They shouldn't have to be scabs, they shouldn't have to break the picket line to find job opportunities. But in the real world that's the way it is."

Lumpkin added that it was unfortunate that unions do not do more to work with young minorities to help them find high-paying jobs. If unions would reach out to blacks and Hispanics, he said, the minority community would be more sympathetic to the unions.

The state's decision comes as the UAW continues to picket CNH in hopes of returning to work. The union went on strike on Nov. 3 to protest the lack of a new labor contract. Workers called off the strike in late November, but were locked out of their jobs on Nov. 23 by CNH, which began using the replacement workers.

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2004-12-24          102877

This is still burning my ass. What a total fool, and if you read this in the paper you either think the union is a racist org. or you think that CNH is?
Quote {They shouldn't have to be scabs, they shouldn't have to break the picket line to find job opportunities. But in the real world that's the way it is."}

So what is he saying? CNH is only able to find deralick losers to come build the tractors? Yes some of these guys may of just "made a mistake!" I think most if not all made their own bed. The only reason they are looking for work is to STAY OUT OF JAIL. The police venture into that plant almost daily and leave with someone in handcuffs!
As for the statement about the union should do MORE to help the minority. WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT. WHY should the union help them? In my neck of the woods you HELP YOURSELF, take responsibility for your own future and becaome a member of society that is acceptable to the community and the law enforcement officials (in other words obey the law and you stay out of jail) Over the 7 years I have been there the majority of employees hired that are not skilled are minority, whether they be women or people of color. The last few groups that have been hire, you would be hard pressed to find a white male in the group. Where he comes up with the union doing more for this portion of Americans is beyond me. Many of my friends SONS may need a job someday too. This is crap all the way around. We go to the same schools and have the same problems with divorce and broken familys. Dont come crying on my shoulder looking for hand outs if you choose to live a life of crime instead of getting a job at McDonalds when you graduate, learn a few work ethic skills and move on from there. Our unions support the Dem. (Why I dont know) but the Dems. support lower class and middle lower classes of people regaurdless of color/race/or (lately) country of origin. Our union does enough, period! Its past time for this country to set color and creed and gender aside from hireing practices and hire as a true, "equal opportunity employment company"
Yes, convicts need jobs too. But while out on "suprvised leaves from jail" it is NOT a good idea to have to come face to "car window" with guys who have been replaced every day. I quick story and I will end this rant. Yesterday morning it was -3 degrees. We were on the line slowing cars down as they crossed the line. One car had 4 men in it. One of them flipped off a 58 year old guy next to me right after he had cupped his hands and made it look like he was soo warm in the car and we were freezing. Now this guy then flips my friend off and then rubs his 3 fingers and thumb together (in the national sign for MONEY) and flips him off again. This 58 year old huy who I have never saw go over the line with his temper, just about lost it. Calling this guy OUT. You should of heard the words!!!! I had to grab him to keep him from going to jail! He would of busted that window out and you all know what would of happened then. As that car continued past us and entered the company property one of the guys in back of that car flashed us a few GANG SIGNS. 3-4 boys
Now do you see why the state may think the convicts should look else where for employment? Some one is going to get hurt and some one is going to go to jail. This guy has 2 years till retirement and this thug is making light of the situation. You think this guy will be there in 29 years? CNH is claiming they dont hire the employess but STROM Comp. does. If this is the workforce they are assembling you can kiss this tractor line away, for john deere will absolutely steal all of the market share soon enough. I guess paying your employess a fair wage (like JD does) and keeping a smaller share of the profit is a good thing. Or soon we will see.
Thanks for listening to me vent, whether you like unions or not that is not the point. This foriegn owned company has took an american tradition CASE and will drive it into the ground just like their car buisness. We are all american workers no matter who or what we do. One feeds off the other is one way or anouther dont think for a second your cushy office job is not effected by the maufacturing in the state. I hope like all hell we are still out in March. I will decide in March if will be moving or not. ....

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2004-12-26          102951

Really stinks during the holidays and all. A couple years ago a union group where I work went on strike for 3 months. The operation came to a complete stop the day after they walked and nearly everyone, except for the mechanics, was laid off. We didn't have the scab thing to worry about. About a month into it groups of laid off employees would frequent the spots where the negotiations were being held and would plead with the striking employees to ratify the contract so everyone could get back to work and their benefits would start again. People with children etc. One lady actually popped one of the negotiating members in the mouth as he was leaving. She was in a bad situation. No charges were pressed. I did learn one thing during the strike, can't believe a thing that the media puts out and the stuff that they do would just make me madder than he-- because it was obvious that the reporter had done hardly any research into the story.
I have a friend who worked with some Eastern Airline scabs. These people crossed the mechanic's picket line. Later, after Eastern went belly up, these people were hired by my friend's airline. Once the mech's learned about these people's past their lives at work was pure hell. Nobody talked to them, etc. Guess their tool boxes would go on globe spanning cargo flights.
These people you're talking about have nothing like that to worry about. They go in , screw up some machinery more than likely and then head back to their three hots and a cot, the concrete hilton. They don't care and they know that they are protected so they insult as many people they can and if they see someone get upset it just adds fuel to their fire. You're correct, thieves, thugs, gang members, drug dealers etc. All out to steal the American dream from whomever they can.
Anyway, as best as you can , enjoy your holidays and time with your family. ....

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2004-12-27          103008

Thanks alot for great words of encouragement. Whether you agree with unions striking or not, that is not MY issue. My issue is that it is MY job. In my trade and in my area this was one of the best places to make a living at. Since most tool and die is going over seas this was a great option. Like I said last year, I dont need a union for my skills are fine, just the jobs are not there anymore in the numbers that would create a decent wage for us. Yes most of the assembly workers are over paid, but who is to say what over paid is? If we make less (We being Americans) more goes over seas to help a failing car company? If we make less, more goes into big buisnessmens pockets CEO's. It is not a matter of being profitable (look at last quarters income) it is a matter of the company making more of a profit!
These replacement workers. I dont blame them, but to cross my line and snicker at me or laugh or give me the finger? Well that will only get people hurt. That tells me they dont respect anything much less care for who they work for. These traveling scab company's get paid good money to have replacement workers ready, its amazing our company dont put half the same amount of effort into making a decent work envirenment for us as they are putting into trying to replace us. ....

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2004-12-27          103012

They are rewarded by the tax code for leaving this country.
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2004-12-27          103020

Let's see, reasons not to be in the USA for buisness, the complicated tax codes, EPA,DEC, workers that can work in there country 12 hour days or even 15 when needed, and without over time wages. No workers compensation, no social security, nothing like the airlines baggage handlers all calling in sick on xmas holidays. These people don't care who management is or what it does as long as they get paid. They are glad to have a job to feed there families and don't try to show the companies they work for a NEGATIVE power such as striking! ....

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2005-01-03          103409

They also live in swallar, walk around with a missing hand with no job because they lost it to a employer that only wanted production. Man I could go on and on but whats the use.
I see you offer a full benifit package to your workers? Why do you think a forign owned company cant? Dont think for a second you are the only one who has put in a few hours of work in their life. I worked very hard for this company and they treat us americans like shit. I am talking about me not any one else that works there. You get tired of working in a skilled position at a company for 5-8 years and then a forign owner comes along and rips your life apart. Art I would get pissed at your comments about our workers but its not really worth it. Silver spoons are nice if you have em just a shame that some have a few in their pockets also and dont want to share the wealth. ....

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2005-01-04          103419

We are all different, and have different life expectations. Many of the third world countries don't have enough work for the people. We find that for the most time we can't find the worker for the work! We are constantly looking for people to make a positive difference in our work place. I also know other companies that have a tough time finding people. Cost of business has been driven up by the cost of our government period! It takes from most everyone and is working to distribute what could be looked at as wealth and supplying jobs to people to enforce there laws. This is a negative as it takes tax dollars to pay for this. This could go on and on but basically we are into socialism with elections as there are currently so many divisions of the government that are no longer controlled but by themselves. All that I know is that prolonged strikes put buisnesses out! So when we wind up all struck out who should we congratulate? Who is the winner? Your points may be valid I have no doubt and I wouldn't want to be in your shoes at all. ....

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2005-01-04          103435

Art makes some good points. I'm watching a union factory die in this town. The world changed. The union didn't. Their rules make then uncompetative as a workforce. Sad part is 95% are great workers and can totally be competitive in the global labor pool. 5% are real crap-heads that would be fired in a non-union plant and really need to be but can't because of the rules. Drags everyone else down. Company had several years of weak management and the union took advantage. They won't back down now and soon no one will have a job.

I look at it as 500 people employed as a flexible workforce without the union BS rules is far better than an empty factory with only rent-a-cops for employees.

It's just sad because it didn't have to be this way. ....

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2005-01-05          103495

I will agree 100% about the 5% being losers but I think it is more like 20% are losers. Cant argue there with you. The problem is finding 500 employees in any one area that are quality workers. That is pretty tough! You cant compare a small operation to a large corporation anymore either. Smaller employers like operations like Arts family's buisness (I am assumeing on that one I think he has 3 outfits so I am guessing probably not more than 75 employees?) Can offer the workers a great career with good benifits if the owners are not greedy and the workers they have do 10 hours work for 10 hours pay. When you start talking 500+ employees it would be hard to find 500 workers that actually are ALL worth the money. I read up on what the WHITE's family buisness has to offer its employees and they sure sound like a good employer. Now take away the benifits that they provide and maybe the good working conditions and see if you can fill the positions with qualified work force? Maybe but maybe not!
I dont know where you get the flexible work force crap.
Its a state law, anytime you work more than 40 hours you have to pay 1 1/2 times. That is not a union only thing here. Untill we went out this year Nov. 3
I had the fewest hours over time I ever had in 7 years here. Think it was around 350 hrs overtime. Not that we milked it but because the employer dont want to hire. We are required to work mandatory 10 hour days if schedualed and every other weekend is mandatory. They now also want to own us for 3 out of 4 weekends! Hey listen, I am a tool and die maker not a frickin animal, I think 60 hours a week every week is almost too much especially with only 2 weeks vacation days (after 7 years)a year. I understand why owners of buisnesses dont have any use for unions. I also understand that many union bashers are jealouse we have a few more benifits then SOME (not all) other work places. But to sit here and tell me I dont deserve what I have for a job and that I dont work as hard as anyone else because I have a union in my shop is nothing short of crap.
No one here knows a dam thing about what I do or how hard we work or even if we beat the outside prices (which we do 100% of the time or my boss farms it out) The non union shops charge more WAY MORE for many fixtures I build. Bottom line to the company is that they save money. And yes I am talking about adding up what we cost the company in wages+benifits, my boss has it all figured out. He wants to look good, so if he can save a buck by jobbing it out he does. We have to pick up the pace just to keep our work in shop.
Also you have to remember that many owners fell into the positions they are in. So they have a memory of what it was like to work for a living but may of bounced around from place to place not really setting the world on fire and not really good at anything they done. They get the position handed to them and have the gaul to bad mouth anouther worker? Then there is the boss/owner that knows his shit and has been around the block a few times. He is the best at what he does and has done all the jobs in his shop. (and done them good) Now that is the owner that usually takes care of his employees as long as they work for him and do a great job.
If I sound a bit pissy, you need to of walked in my shoes for the last year ( all kinds of crap going on this year with just about everything in the family) I would not want to be anyone walking up to me and telling me I dont deserve what I got much less telling me I should take a $4 an hour pay cut (we already are below the average for tool makers here, or whats left of them) Then tell me I need to pay $315 a month for health care more and also have a 4K 80/20 along with athe first $900 out of my pocket expense each year. I could go on but am just about to lose it so I better not. Nope I think I would end up with a pretty hefty ticket if some one talked to me about now like that.
I posted here for a informational post (look at the first post) Was not looking for sympathy or to get bitch slapped by anyone especially folks who I thought I could let some steam off too? Silver spooned owners need not jump in on the wagon of bashing my job. CNH will not lower the price of the tractor because they pay us americans less, that is a given! The only thing that will hapen is someone over seas will get a nice fat bonus for screwing a former american employer and employee.
Thats what I am talking about.
Seeya, had about enough of this ....

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2005-01-05          103522

By flexible workforce I am refering to the union rules that prevent the factory from moving people around to different positions to keep things running. Meaning, if certain departments are hit hard by illness, the union rules dictate only certain people can fill in. So we've had to shut lines down because of it. Then orders are filled and creates a whole mess down the chain.

The flexibility really comes into play in spring and summer when the absenteeism is at it's height. They just don't show up for work. So it would be great to be able to move people around to keep the critical lines functioning.

It's a shame because you can't find that kind of pay and benefits anywhere else for workers with only a high school diploma. ....

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2005-01-09          103848

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I see now. I am in total agreement also. I was amazed at our place. This was the real first assembly line operation type place I have worked at. Most other companys were either job shops or machine manufaturing operations where all work was more machining than other. We have no real absentee problem (except for the habitual violators) Reason being they pay for them to be on time and consecutive work days! I could not believe that either.
That has been getting phased out thru the last few contracts they had though new hires not getting as much if any of those kind of perks. For reasons you just stated I also have a bad taste about unions being a tool and die maker many rules that they live by dont apply to me. Many perks they get also dont apply. Problem here where I work is trying to get a work force (out of high school) that wants to work. When the fast food resturants are paying $9-$10 a hour and offering some benifits or like my high school son, he is working at a grocery store chain. This place pays him $10.50 an hour now to be a checker. They get 1 1/2 time on sundays whether they work partime or full.
They also get double time on holidays. If you work full time there your wage will eventually go up to $13+ an hour and after 15 months you will qualify for FREE health insurance. There plan is better than my unions plan. They also have a drug card that they pay only a $5 co pay on! This is at a damm grocery store! How can manufacturing jobs pay less and stay in buisness? They cant find a work force if the money per hour is less than the other jobs much less keep employees on the same job. Assembling a transmition takes time to really understand what you are doing to do it repeatedly and "right" every time. Not like scanning a carton of milk. So I do feel for the companys around me that have to jack up the wage for an assembly worker just to have the product made.
My point being, the store that my son works at has NO problem getting qualified help to work and to show up for work. They also have a very low turn over rate. They pay great and provide what is needed to make the workers want to stay there on the job. Problem with many companys is they want to make more money with out sharing it with its workers. I am not saying all company's are like this I know many are struggleing just to make a profit but it is all to easy to blame the American worker (and some times it is true) rather than looking into how a place is managed to save a few bucks. It is all too easy to pack up and move than especially when a forign company owns/employs american workers. Its when some company's are showing big profits and big ceo bonuses but then want to cut the work force salery that bubbles my blood a bit.
Iowafun, I have worked on both sides of the fence, was in management in R&D for 6 years, was a tool maker in a job shop for around 10. Worked a couple other tool and die shops one not union one union. I dont care where I work if it has a union or not. I dont need the protection, I work the same no matter what, it is just inbred in me, you put out a honest days work for the money you make. I am a firm believer that my boss/owner should make atleast $10-20 an hour (or more) than my total expense (benifits/wages utilities costs) for every hour I work or I should not expect him to continue to employ me. The risks of being a owner of a company are extreme and should, be benifited by him when times are good. I have respected just about all the owners I have worked for my entire life. The only two employers that I feel I have worked for that deserve NO respect are the 2 that were bought by forign competition. Sorry but I feel I have no respect for the forign ownership of companys here in the states (that I have worked for) There is no loyalty to us Americans (or so it seems) no feeling that they want us to make a decent living. Seems like all they want to do is take over a company and drain what they can out of it then ship it over seas for a cheaper work force. I understand that manufacturing is on its way out of the country, but until it is, if a company is making nice profits it would be nice if they would share with us americans who are trying to do our best.
I can get up for work every morning and look myself in the mirror. I can except my check with my hand out infront of me and not behind my back. Many workers cant say the same, many workers (and others) think they put in a days work and have no clue. ....

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2005-02-16          106237

Hey Brokenarrow, does the recent sale of GM's intrest in Fiat have any effect on Fiat's ownership of C-NH? Will it have any effect on the walkout/strike? ....

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2005-02-20          106512

I wish we knew? We were secretly hoping fiat would hand over us to GM or something there bouts. Of course that has not happened. How it will effect us is anyones guess? Does it invigorate and regenerate the funds for fiat? I dought it, they are neck deep. Just speculation though. I think a impasse is going to be announced soon. Others on the line dont think so and are optimistic. I think the recent stoppage of bargaining and the walk out by the company on negotiations say's they are getting ready to present a case to the state for impasse procedure steps. Steps on their way to try and replace the work force. Of course that is just my guess and anyone who knows me knows I have no long lasting love for either side. Who would of thought technology was going to be the survivor and manufacturing was going to be the sacrifice to china and others?
Less than 30 days left for me, I figured about the middle of March if we were not back to work yet I would decide on if we were moving. I wont be far from you AVR8. soon!LOL ....

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2005-02-21          106549

I hope you find out soon. At our facility, the company pulling out of talks would signal to start watching for trucks to be hauling the tools out of the factory. Our lines could be disassembled and be up running in Mexico in less than 120 days. ....

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2005-02-21          106566

Just heard they are going back to talking tomaroo.
About 5:30 am today the police delivered a paper to the gaurd shack and about 5:45 I saw one of our HR guys smoking a cig at the gaurd shack. The 2 police cars were parked accross the street (as usual but usually only 1) About 5"55 am the cars took off, one behind a suv entering the drive (just got past us strikers) and the other policeman drove up the out gate and blocked in the suv. (which had 2 PUNKS in it) Guess they had a warrent for this convict cause they hauled him out of the car, cuffed him and took off with him. Funny thing is that while this was going on anouther car came up and had to stop for us to move out of the way. This car had 2 people in it a woman and a man. The woman lit up a cigar (was holding it like a doobie, but it looked like a cigar) HELLOOO Are these drug addict punks still under the impression that no one knows what that is she is toking on!? does she really think we think it is a cigar? LOL They are as stupid and ignorant as they look. This sister was crying while lighting up. Ya think her man just slapped her ass? I am going to wait for this car tomaroo and try and remember what it looked like (should be easy cause only about6 cars ever come from the gravel road the opposit way) I will get the plate and description and give my buddy Doug Talbat (HR director) A call. Let him know he better check her out too. Wouldnt want anouther scab to lose anouther finger like last week! ROTFLMAO. No I am not worried about this work force replacing us. If this is what the area can produce for workers our product is in deep trouble or they will have to pack up and move. The majority of these workers are very diverse and look like they came right from the streets in down town (which is pretty rough area).
Something is going to happen by the end of this Month! The company plans on imposing the new health care provider and has sent a letter to all of us about this. They extended it 2 months in a row but now plan on doing it. I think one way or the other by March 1rst we will know if we are going back or if they plan on getting rid of us. I cant wait, one way or the other I want to finish this fiasco. Either way I get to go back to work (somewhere) ....

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2005-02-22          106592

Hey brokenarrow,
Good luck to you and yours.I hope something
good comes out of all this crap for you.
I was "pissn and moanin" a little to
myself about working outside and being
tired of it. But, it occurred to me I'm
fortunate to be able to go to work. ....

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2005-02-22          106635

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Ya know I dont want to come off as sounding like a hypocrit. We brought this upon ourselves (to some extent). I would be in there working right now if our union would not of put us out on strike. Yes we voted down the companys offer. We could of accepted it and just moved on. SO I dont want to sound like I am crying the blues because to an extent we done this to ourselves.
Here is where that story ends though. The company came out last year and told us this is what we would work for and this is what they would give us for benifits. If we did not like it we could walk, it was their last and best offer. They have moved very little off that stance. Up until this contract the company has always told us that they could not compete with what the auto companys paid ans gave their employees. We alwasy understood that. Our company always basically followed the industry standard
(deere and company) and we got about what they were offering their employees. This has all gone by the way side now that deer has offered its employees an real nice package. I am sure they will benifit from a happy work force. CNH has took the stance that its employees are not worth the money we make. They see no reason why American workers should make that much more than the foriegn workers. Even though the industry standards that we have a unwritten rule for are not exceeded by us, the comp. still wants to lower just about everything we have ever worked for in the last 40 years. Yes I am not happy with fiat, but at the same time I am a very honest person, and will be the first one to tell you that if we would of just accepted the huge cut in the package we have and would of totally screwed the next generation and if we would of shit on the retirees By capping their agreement., yes we would still be working. I for one am glad American workers are finally standing up to the foriegn monster companys that keep lowering our standard of living. Even if it costs me my job, atleast I have my dignity and did not fold to a foriegn company. Trust me, we are not asking fo much of anything but to keep what we have for a contract. Infact excluding cost of living wage increases (which the first .04 of every one goes to the company to offset healthcare) we have not got a raise in 9 years. Here is little inside info that is pretty interesting. Every 4 months there is a cola raise of review. If the cola goes up a certain % then we get a wage increase. What we bargained the last contract (when the company wanted us to pay a set fee for insurance) was to give them the first .04 of every cost of living increase. ( I went nutz! That is so assinine, I wanted to just pay them a set fee) So over the last six years we have had have had a possible 18 cola raises. Of those 18 we actually had many that were just .04 so we did not get any increase but lost .04 to the company (that per hour!) We had one cola that actualy went south and was .02 lower, so we had to GIVE BACK 2 cents an hour. (no .04 and hour on the other side of cola) In the end we actually gave the company .69 an hour BACK. Do the math that equals $28 a week or $118 a month. Here is the kicker with that system. I average 20 hours a week overtime. That comes to 90 more dollars a moth that I pay. Thats $90 more than the guy who dont work any over time in my plant! So in then end I was paying $207 a month for my health care. You see what I mean? Thats why I get so piseed when someone tell sme that I am a spoiled union worker because I dont pay for healthcare. That could not be farther from the truth. $208 a month is alot less than other have to pay (I know that) but it is definately not a free lunch. Many salery employees get around 3-4% a year increase in many companys. We did not get that. We get a 3% check of our (working hours only) at the end of the year. This was only in 4 of the 6 year deal. So we have not had a per hour raise in many years. NOW the company wants us to pay around $185 a month for our insurance with a huge out of pocket deductable. Please add this up then. I will pat them $208 for the rest of my life from this last contract in lost wages + anouther $185, that equals $392 a month. Do I have free healthcare if I go back to work under fiats deal? LOL There are many other things that have not been broadcast to the public with this offer that are very significant. Its a shame that they want a skilled tradesman to make what the top machine operators in my area make, and alos want our machinests to make what they can get at the local large grocery store in my town. Yes my sone just go anouther raise and is now making $11.50 on weekends and more on sundays. BTW if you work at his grcery store and are full time for more than 15 months the company provides you will free health care that rivals our plan!
Grinder, I am hoping if I do get anouther job that I CAN work outside. I am just tired of working in a unariconditioned sweat shop in the summer.
Thanks for your concern ....

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2005-02-22          106636

WOW, I wrote all that (again) me must be a bit pissed off still huh?
Sorry about that ....

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2005-02-23          106683

How's your carpentry skills? ....

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2005-02-23          106701

I went back to school because I couldn't make more than $13.75/hour as a JOURNEYMAN machinist at my last job (that goes for the whole market area, too). For my health insurance, single was $325/month, the wife had her own, luckly, now she covers both of us.

The only machine shop I will do machinist work for from now on will have my name on the front door. ....

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But then you would have to outsource it to china, pay the shipping costs and assemble the package here. It could say made in china, packaged in the usa LOL.
Whats going on with manufacturing in this country is a joke. Whats kinda funny is all the techy's that think the laborers are stupid and get what they deserve for not going to school will be next. There will only be a matter of time before R&D and then head qaurters of operations will be over their too. If things dont turn around soon we will be a country with alot of shipping and recieving docks and small assembly plants with little manufacturing and even fewer offices. I hope it does not go that route byt dems and rep. both have not done a damm thing to stop this outsourcing, infact they both passed legislation to make it easier for a company to do just that. In my opinion the only real safe jobs in this country in the future may be healthcare related and educational fields. One never knows. Of course the luxery things will always be here like golf courses and resorts LOL. Think I will just move up to the property live off love and the land. LOL A meager life but I can hit golf balls for free in my clover fields and swim in my jacuzzipondhole. (when its not froze) ....

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