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 09-01-2003, 11:27 Post: 63005
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 Cub Cadet Hydro with creeper gear is it possible

I like the idea of a two speed rear for my 1812. Would it be possible/practical/feasable to bolt in a creeper gear between hydro pump and differential? It would seem to me that the differential on a hydro and gear driven unit would be the same, if so, the creeper gear should be a bolt in, I would then have to shorten the drive shaft. Anyone know if this is true? Any suggestions?






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 09-01-2003, 17:23 Post: 63026
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Anything is possible, BUT somethings are closer to impossible like this, or just why would you want to?






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 09-01-2003, 18:08 Post: 63030
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 Cub Cadet Hydro with creeper gear is it possible

I was going to use some ground attachments, thought slower power would help. I drove a friend's Wheelhorse D200 and liked the slow speed power.






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 09-02-2003, 05:27 Post: 63047
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 Cub Cadet Hydro with creeper gear is it possible

I thought HST's already were capable of extremely slow ground speeds at any chosen engine rpm. I'm probably missing something.

An idea discussed in a recent discussion is that many HST's have a geared range section. Gears allow a HST to produce extreme ground speeds without requiring extreme displacement ratios between the pump and hydraulic motor, which aren't very efficient. If the HST uses both a variable displacement pump and motor and there isn't a geared range section now, that may be a reason for thinking about adding an under-drive. Whether the idea is worth the trouble of adapting something or whether such an adaptation is realistic is another question. From my hotrod days, I found that simple sounding bolt-in ideas are seldom simple.






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 09-02-2003, 07:37 Post: 63055
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 Cub Cadet Hydro with creeper gear is it possible

The D200 Wheel Horse is a big unit and it is a gear drive unit. The CAdet has the ability to move at any ground speed you chose at any throttle position.






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 09-03-2003, 18:15 Post: 63151
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 Cub Cadet Hydro with creeper gear is it possible

The D200 I dra, there is one for sale now on eBay. I have also seen Case 446,646s that were two speed hydros. The bigger machines seem to have 2 speed hydros, I assumed for a reason. Less heat?






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 09-04-2003, 06:27 Post: 63176
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I don't claim expertise but as noted, gears allow very fast or very slow ground speeds without requiring extreme displacement rations between the HST pump and motor. More efficiency and less heat are pretty much the same thing.

Older Japanese geared compacts such as Yanmar often come with creepers as standard equipment because use of tillers is almost universal practice and very slow ground speeds are desirable. A less extreme idea of the same thing on old IH farm tractors was called a 'torque multiplier.' The both are just under-drives. HST's achieve much the same thing by reducing the speed pedal. A factory creeper kit is still available for my Ford 1710, which is really an older Japanese compact. However, it provides new shafts and gears for the existing geared TX. I doubt that something like that would be feasible for a TX that doesn't already have a geared range TX section. Hope this helps to answer your question.






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 09-04-2003, 09:10 Post: 63194
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 Cub Cadet Hydro with creeper gear is it possible

I had an engineering professor who's favourite saying was "Nothing is impossible, some things just cost more than they seem to be worth." I think he was very wise...

As Art mentioned the hydro should be able to run at a VERY slow speed, and generate maximum power at that speed, based purely on the very design of a hydro-drive system.

Best of luck.






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 09-04-2003, 10:40 Post: 63205
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Thank you Murf! I could see doing it to gain a higher gear but not a lower. I've taken that model Cadet and puled 15000lb tractors into the shop just to watch customers eyes and expressions! What more should a person be able to do with 1000lbs of tractor.






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 09-04-2003, 17:05 Post: 63225
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I'm glad you all talked me out of it, I thought it was something I SHOULD do, nice to know I don't HAVE to.

Instead I'll concentrate putting a loader on a Toro 327.






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