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 01-08-2005, 13:43 Post: 103817
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In my state, right after the aggressive military action in Iraq and into the re-building phases the price of OSB went thru the roof. I believe it was because of supply and demand but may be wrong? Now I am faced with a question on what to do. With the recent devestation with the psunami (spelling bad?) Does anyone have any thoughts on if our price for the OSB products will rise again? The last time the price went up it was around $6 a sheet to begin with and got as high as $22. That is huge. I will more than likely have to move and build a new house this spring/summer. I dont believe in walls made with foam and in my opinion the house will have osb all around it including the flooring t&g. I was thinking about buying the osb NOW and if something changes (like I go back to work) before the move is finalized I would bring it back or sell on the side to others at a great price)
Anyone here think the same as me and think the price is going to skyrocket? Do you think we will not be sending osb over to them for the rebuilding? Kinda in a bind here since the price of my new house may be 2-5K more if I dont buy and it does go up that high again. That increase wont break me of course but it may a great way to save a large amount of cash fast?
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 01-08-2005, 16:05 Post: 103827
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I would not get to hung up on one item,have you checked the price of plumbing supplies lately?
I think this would be true of many item in a new house.
Currently paying 22.00 bucks a sheet for 1/2" 5 ply fir plywood. That is down from almost 30.00.
Guess I just don't like that osb.
If you have a place to sell, it should be all relative, that's to say your appraisal should reflect the cost of
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 01-09-2005, 05:29 Post: 103846
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I see your into carpentry, so I respect and value your input. I used to love working on projects and building (on the side) also. The last house I built in 2001 on my property in northern Wisconsin just wrung me out. Except for help with the obvious (two-three man jobs) I had been the carpenter,plumber,electrician etc.) on the whole job. We were not zoned/inspected at the time and it was all legal. It was fun for ahilw but that 5 hour one way drive every weekend drained me (then working from sun up till midnight every day while there) I finished it in one summer. By no mean am I profesional but know enough to do a superior job. Since I am a tool maker by trade I had to learn that wood is not steel and sometimes you need to go with the flow (grain), Laughing out loud.

I also had use 100% 5 ply plywood on that house for I too was not a fan of osb. Since that time I have changed my opinion of osb 100% or 180 degrees. Walls and roofing especially. I had a few friends up there when nailing sheathing material. Big mistake! Seemed that
one group of guys decided not to nail as often as I would.
You can see obvious spots where buckleing will occur on the ply. Since then I have had the oportunity to work on a few jobs that used only osb. I changed my opinion on the stuff and after doing alot of research on the process of manufactureing it, I have been using it exclusively since.
Question for you?
1.What dont you like about it?
2.Since I really have no choice about building this new house this year (or so it looks anyway) the cost of materials is something I have excepted. Its this shipping of large quantitiys of our manufactured products overseas and then we get it stuck in our butts on price that just burns me. Can you elaborate on your last comment to me? I seem to of lost you? The only reason I would buy this wood now is because I think we are going to see a huge short term spike again in price on it. Only reason I would ell it and not use it would be if I go back to work before the frost bubbles out of the ground. I am not a fan of returning things but will if I could not use it and or find a buyer that needs it for a cut price (of the current market). Was wondering. Thanks for your input, being unemployed right now funds are starting to tighten up and without breaking into savings a expense like this will kill my slush funds. Have not decided either way yet so I really respect you guys opinions here on this topic. Sometimes I dont see the forrest thru my glasses?
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 01-09-2005, 07:07 Post: 103849
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I do use both depending on the job and several other issues.
Not the least of which are customer,price,time of year(weather).
I perfer plywood mostly because of it's history, I have my doubts about wrapping your house in plastic too.(vinyl)
I haven't worked on any 50-100 yr. old houses that have been
built using these products? I have worked on some younger ones where the osb has swelled and the nailing has popped.
Mostly within 18" of the ground. I have read that technically you are suppose to treat any cut edges before
application, I have seen why. You will notice that on lifts of OSB the edges are all painted. Also you are suppose to space it 1/8 in. between sheets for exspansion.This is a pain in the ass. .That's why nobody does it. This may have added to the warping you mention. We nail all our sheet goods at a min of 6",16 OC and 4" in the builings corners.
One other major issue for me is the weight of it,as we use only 5/8 on the roofs,1/2 " on walls all 16oc. When your 45 years old,with two back surgery's behind you, it is a major consideration.
I also don't like the way it takes the nail, quite often the head won't penatrate the surface,(it has a hard wax added to it for weather protection) and you have to go back over it with that thing called a hammer.Love that paslode! I quess I'm just from the old school and I wonder why so many houses have mold problems?
I know this info is biased but it is worth reading.

Ever thought of moving to Maine? I would think a good tool and die man could find a job easily. Also lot's of RN job's and Lobster is only $5.00 a lb.
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 01-09-2005, 07:24 Post: 103850
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I'll be the first to admit that I don't like OSB either, but when we uilt our house they talked me out of ply for the floor. We put down 3/4 OSB and it seems to be doing fine without a squeak yet. The roof sheathing OSB however got rained on before the tar paper got rolled out and you can still pick out the swelled seams from the road on a frosty morning. Frank.






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 01-09-2005, 08:59 Post: 103852
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Thanks for taking the time guys to give me answers. I too have found the use of nail guns a must. When I built that house I was talking about my buddy (ARG) shamed me into NOT buying a framing nailer. Said, " AWE what the heck you need that for, we can do it better with out! You gat a good feel for how you set the nail" Well as you read, the few guys I had helping me must of had a tired arm and left out a few nails. I had used ALL plywood on the house.
When I built the garage I went and bought the framing and roofing nailers! NEVR again will I swing a hammer on a bigger job. The OSB (you are correct) has a tendancy to recieve a nail head at different depths with the nail gun at times. Where the nail gun was a life saver was when I installed the T-11 siding on the framing! Used the coated ring shank nails WOW! My fingers all still had their nails on after the whole garage was done! I had to re-pound a few but it was still better than trying to pound a nail into that HARD material. I know OSB has come a long long way since its inception and I will assume it will continue to improve. Around here all the builders use it it (especially for floors)
Funny you said that about Maine, and I wont let my oldest daughter read that. She kinda wants to move, tired of the semi-city life we have here and loves the place in northern Wis. My youngest daughter used to love it up there also but has just stated she dont want to leave her friends (TOO BAD!)Laughing out loud. She is 14. My oldest child is a son and could care less since he will be away at college anyway. What you said about Maine? My oldest daughter wants to move there and live there (not to mention go to college there) If I blew that buy her she would die! I think this summer/spring we were planning a trip to Maine. My wife wants to go on one last trip with the family before all of them get too old and have their own lifes. We are considering Maine, Any suggestions on what to do or see?
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 01-09-2005, 16:40 Post: 103859
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Brokenarrow,
Maine is great,I hesitate to say that as all the people that will read this. But we love it here and the quality of live is the best.
There are endless things to see and do,if you like being outside.
I have been in fourteen countries and from Fla. to Calif.
and now spend twelve mo. a year right here.
We are into camping in the summer,we leave our Camper at the campground for the summer and go up north every weekend.
The crime rate is among the lowest in the country and the public schools and university of Maine are among the highest rated. Check out the Maine laptop progam, this is where the state/apple is suppling every 7th grader a laptop computer.
We also have several Ivory leauge colleges as well,Colby,Bowdin.
I'll send you this Maine tourism site but also check out Maine Today .com That is the newspaper site for the State.
If you would give me some indication of what you guy's like to do,I will be glad to try and make some suggestions on where and when.Not sure where you are in Mich. But coming across Canada there is a lot less "crap" to drive through.






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 01-09-2005, 20:22 Post: 103865
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Just paid $11.99 for 17/32 OSB at Home Depot on Monday. That is down from the $22.99 high of about 3 months ago. The hurricanes really drove the price of flat products up this summer. It seems to be settling down some. I'm not a big OSB fan, but it does have it place for certain applications. I would not use it for roof sheeting, or anywhere that moisture and/or condesation are possible. It has come a long way, but it still isn't as stable as plywood.






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 01-09-2005, 22:56 Post: 103877
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I just bought a load of 7/16" OSB at Lowe's for $9.99 a sheet. Manufactured by Georgia-Pacific. Couldn't believe my good fortune when I saw the price. It just so happened that I was ready to put the interior wall and ceiling covering on my workshop and was looking for the cheapest sheet-goods that would do a respectable job. Was going to use plywood, but decided that at that price I could slap it up and paint it and it would do fine. I was very surprised at the price since building materials have gone through the roof since the hurricanes. Maybe the glut of storm timber on the market is trickling down to us consumers? Anyway, I need 50 sheets but could only carry 25 so I'm going back as soon as possible for the rest before they change their minds.






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 01-10-2005, 04:54 Post: 103883
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Be sure your not buying waferboard thinking it is osb.
New housing starts have taken a big drop in Nov.nationwide,
this could be part of the reason.Another is the increase of plants that manufacture it.This article I found sums it up best for me.
The most important point made in it (for me) is that it is money in the builders pocket on bid job's.
Of course these guy's(builder's) are going to tell you it's as good or better.
They just built a $300,000 dollar house next door to me
and covered it with 7/16 waferboard,on 2x4 trusses set 2'oc. These poor people got
screwed! House looks great,but let's see what a couple of
Maine winter's does to it.
Beware folk's!
Interesting note,this article was written in 1997.
The "edge swell" is still a problem.






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