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 12-29-2002, 07:17 Post: 46671
Mike Lane
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 Is a LIVE PTO important

I am looking at buying a 2001 Kubota L2600DT with 40 hours on it. I intend to mow my 10 acres with it. I am told that it does not have a live PTO and that I need one for mowing.
Why is that? Can't you just spin the blades up to speed in Neutral and then put it in gear and go? Why are so many people telling me to get a live PTO?






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 01-03-2003, 17:29 Post: 46904
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Do you want the mower blades to stop when the tractor stops?
With live PTO that is not a problem since the blades will always
be turning. I drove my neighbor's old Ford tractor and it was kinda of
difficult to cut in narrow areas or where you had to stop frequently to turn, etc. When I got my TC33D, this was no problem because it has
live PTO.






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 01-03-2003, 19:25 Post: 46909
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There are 2 problems with the conventional transmission driven PTO. The momentum of the brush mower tends to push the tractor as you clutch to slow the tractor around a corner, the mower does not start until you start to move. Depending on the transmission moving to neutral to start the mower and then into gear can cause problems in getting the tractor in gear. A field mower has a lot of momentum and take a long time to slow down. The mower keeps spinning a long time after the power is disengaged. For an extreme my 7ft BH will spin for a number of minutes after use and the tractor is off.
The after spinning will not be stopped by the live PTO as you need to take it out of gear before you stop the engine.
The independent PTO systems generally have a clutch and brake the PTO after it is shut off.
I guess what I wonder is, if this is a concern, why you don't consider other tractors in the price range, the NH TC-30, JD 790 or the Kioti 3054. All of which are available with live PTO or independent PTO.






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 01-04-2003, 12:37 Post: 46939
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Check out the Eicher 364 for a list of $9995 with two year warranty. Live PTO Power Steering 35 HP. Go to Ag Equipment USA to see! Not much in ballpark with features and price.






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 01-04-2003, 13:13 Post: 46942
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I think that you will find that the other tractors listed are in that price range. The kioti is around 11K or less, the NH here is 10.5K and the JD is in the 11K range here.






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 01-04-2003, 13:43 Post: 46944
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MarkLugo, have you turned wrenches on Eicher's? I wonder about the air cooled diesels.






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 01-04-2003, 14:34 Post: 46946
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Mike Lane
You can get an over-running clutch for the PTO (about $60) that will overcome some of the "pushing" problems caused by the simple PTO system you are asking about. This clutch goes on the PTO output stub and then the mower PTO shaft attaches to it. The tractor can be stopped, and the mower blades will keep on spinning. Without the over-running clutch, the spinning mower blades will push the tractor until they stop spinning. Also, if the blades are spinning and you are in neutral, you will not be able to shift into gear until the blades stop (that is if the PTO shaft is connected to the transmission on the side of the rear axle gears).






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 01-04-2003, 14:47 Post: 46948
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I guess I stated some not all transmission driven. This is due to the fact that some have the clutch (although I am not sure this is the right word) built in. The PTO has a set of clutch dogs built in like a bike that allows the PTO to spin faster than the transmission. I don't know if any have a completely solid link like the old tractors.
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 01-04-2003, 21:00 Post: 46958
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I'm kind of confused about this push caused by the PTO. I had a JD 4600 gear with independent PTO. I never felt this 'push', while using a 6ft hog, when engaging the clutch.

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Billy, It probably had the over-running clutch built in.






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