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 06-17-2005, 09:41 Post: 112504
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 An Interesting Comparison RTV vs 1987 Samurai

Wheelbase: RTV....77.4 vs. Samurai....79.9

Width: RTV....59.8 vs. Samurai... 60.2

OA Length: RTV... 119 inches vs. Samurai... 135 inches

Turning Diameter: RTV... 24.6 feet vs. Samurai...33 feet

Curb Weight: RTV...1874 pounds vs. Samurai... 2094 pounds**

Horse Power: RTV.... 21.6 HP vs. Samurai.....60 HP(Hello!)

** Open cab RTV vs Closed cab, convertible Samurai. A full cab on the RTV would put it in the same weight range as the Samurai.

Samurai comes with the following stuff that costs extra on the RTV: Roof, doors, windows, windshield, wipers, turn signals, speedometer, heater/defroster, headrest and glove box.

RTV has the following not included on a stock Samurai: automatic transmission(sort of ?), receiver hitches, power steering.

Cost: RTV with Cab, heater and all the goodies $15,000-$16,000

Cost: used 1987 Suzuki Samurai in good shape with 50,000 miles on the clock.... $1500.






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 06-17-2005, 09:52 Post: 112506
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 An Interesting Comparison RTV vs 1987 Samurai

Excellent comparison DR! I've often wondered why people are spending 10's of thousands of dollars on these UTVs and ATVs when a small pickup or "Jeep" type vehicle would do the same or more for MUCH less money, and be legal to drive to town, too!

I had a friend who purchased a used GEO Tracker rather than an ATV for hunting. He had far less money involved, even after a winch, camo paint, lift kit and larger tires, yet the vehicle was still street legal and far more capable as a hunting rig!

Is there something I'm missing?






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 06-17-2005, 09:57 Post: 112507
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Mark, from a purely cost/benefit analysis point of view you're dead right.

From an off-road fun (utility?) buggy point of view, there is one (albeit a little more work) choice.

A really popular choice around here is to take a mid 1980's Toyota 4X4 pickup, remove the box (there usually rotten anyways) and shorten the frame until the rear axle is just behind the cab. Then they whip up a quick (usually dumping) light plate box with fold-down sides for the back.

In fact I'm thinking of doing one myself for up at the cottage.

By shortening the wheelbase they turn very tightly, and you just can't kill those little 22R engines. If so desired after market lifts and so on are very readily available.

They make an awesome hunting buggy, it's amazing where they will go, and a heated cab sure beats an ATV in the cold wet snows of fall up here.

The other advantage is the ability to leave it licensed for road travel, and Air Conditioning to defeat those mosquitoes in the summer.

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 06-17-2005, 10:20 Post: 112508
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 An Interesting Comparison RTV vs 1987 Samurai

And I'll never forgive Consumer Reports and the rest of those safety nazis for killing the Samurai either.






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 06-17-2005, 10:22 Post: 112509
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If you have a CUT why do you need an RTV?






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 06-17-2005, 11:03 Post: 112513
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 An Interesting Comparison RTV vs 1987 Samurai

Because you can! We have a CUT as well as a RTV. Seems to fit into our lifestyle now. Really thought it over hard though. We made the decision to put our money into where we live, rather than buying a second home or travel. So on this 80 acres, we build a 1 acre pond and developed a trail network through the woods to ride. Wouldn't have held much interest a decade ago, but now and in the future it is what we enjoy. I think it's really just about where you are in life!






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 06-17-2005, 13:02 Post: 112514
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Isn't the Samurai and the GEO the same thing? They should have made a woodie model that could have served dual purpose use; as a coffin. The early models rusted to pieces, the tops disintegrated, used a motorcycle engine that lasted less than 60,000 miles and would get pushed off the road with a 30mph cross wind.

In my area lots of parents bought these for their teen aged kids because they were cute and cheap. Sadly, most parents found out these vehicles killed 4 to 6 teenagers at a time.

Did I say that I didn't like them!






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 06-17-2005, 14:18 Post: 112517
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Unless we're talking about two different vehicles here, I think there's a little "journalistic licence" being taken here.

We have had several of those vehicles, and in fact used them as 'work' vehicles. Yes they rusted, so did every other Asian vehicle of that same era, no more, no less.

As for "...a motorcycle engine that lasted less than 60,000 miles...", I don't know, we easily got in excess of 100,000 miles out of ours in hard service.

As for "...get pushed off the road with a 30mph cross wind." I again wonder about this, I have driven them lots in winds stronger than that with no problems, it is, however, a 2,000 pound vehicle, not a Sherman Tank.

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 06-17-2005, 17:45 Post: 112522
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When I first read this post I thought of the Subaru BRAT. The BRAT might be a better utility type vehicle than the Samurai because it's like a small pickup truck. Of course you'd probably want to jettison those funky in-the-bed seats.






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If you can even find a brat some where.






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