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ncrunch32 - I think they are blocking us from work now, since I cannot get to either Tractorpoint or the Miller welding site from work any more. I guess we both must have been visiting too much...

Web Site Change
Website Operations Howto
Replies 13 Post by JimP

denwood - sure I agree with you also. I guess the important point to take away from all of this is that loader designs on CUTs all assume a somewhat FIXED hydraulic operating pressure (somewhere in the 2000-2500 PSI) range, and the only way to dramatically increase lift capacity is through larger diameter lift cylinders, a larger GPM pump, and perhaps loader geometry and design.

Hank - after all of this hydrualics education, we have deduced that the loader setup on the newer 4720/400X setup is not going to have substantially more lift capacity that what you already have with the 4610/460 setup. So to echo Chief's comments, what do you really think you are getting for the $10K+ upgrade?

4610 vs 4720
John Deere Tractors
Replies 16 Post by JimP

Hi - I'll take a crack at trying to answer this. I own several older Bolens Iseki diesels with snowblowers, so I'll look to some of the other members to chime in how things are on the more well known brands.

I think the answer to your question boils down to the RPMs. Most Front PTOs are rated for 2000 RPM, while rear PTOs are 540 or 1000. When a tractor manufacturer designs and develops a front or rear mounted snowblower, this is taken into account. I have 3 different snowblower models for my tractor. Two are front mount only and one can be either front mounted or rear mounted with the use of different mount kits depending on which.

If you look at the blower design that can be either front or rear mounted, you will get your answer. For rear mounting, the mount kit is very simple: a couple of brackets to hook up to the rear links and a PTO drive shaft and that is it, because the blower gearbox is set up to operate at 1000 RPM.

Now if you look at the front mount kit, it involves a special hitch and a whole reduction box including sprockets and a chain to slow the rated 2000 RPM Front PTO down to the designed 1000 RPM operating speed of the blower unit gearbox that is designed to run off a 1000 RPM rear PTO.

The other two front mount snowblowers I have are front mount only and the gearboxes are designed to take the 2000 RPM Front PTO and gear it down to whatever speed they need within the gearbox.

I am speaking only of my models whose designs are some 20+ years old, so I don't know what is available nowadays with front or mid PTO options. I'm sure other more knowledegable members with chime in with what is available now.

Frount mount snowblower
Snowblowers / Snow Plows
Replies 7 Post by JimP

I decided to sleep on oneace's response before getting riled up in the heat of the moment. Not sure I understand his logic nor whether or not it even makes sense. Yes, I do have fuses in my SUV and circuit breakers in my house, but I have 64K on my Ford Expedition and 7+ years in my house without having to replace a fuse or reset a breaker (well I had to reset an outdoor GFCI breaker when I moved in), and that is because both were properly DESIGNED to handle the loads in their respective electrical circuits.

Ken and others are entirely correct in saying a fuse or circuit breaker is a safety mechanism put in place to protect BOTH the electrical component and the wiring to it from an execessive load or short. I'm not sure about anyone else, but I do not blow a fuse every time I start my car or trip a circuit breaker every day when I turn on the TV in my house.

Bottom line is that there is a design flaw in the electrical system of this tractor if this is what is happening, backed by the multiple complaints on this thread. The field service fix is nothing but a temporary work-around to make it easier to recover from the problem. And like kyvette commented, replacing the original 10A fuse with a larger 15A fuse not only masks the problem but has potential safety implications -- if the wire used for that circuit is only rated for 10A and you put a larger fuse in, you may run the risk of overloading the wiring in that circuit, which in extreme cases could lead to an electrical fire. If I had bought one of these tractors that was affected by this problem, this tractor would be back at the dealer if I was told a larger fuse or circuit breaker is the official fix to the problem.

I would think oneace should direct his anger and frustration toward New Holland rather than towards me. There are lots of news users looking for buy decision recommendations and insight from this board and its members, and if I found this thread, I think I know which tractor I would NOT be buying. Maybe taking this thread to regional NH sales rep and showing him that this problem is having a negative impact on the NH brand and reputation would open some eyes.

Perhaps 5picker is right in that NH has isolated the problem and the circuit breaker is a cheaper field fix than recalling all the tractors to replace the defective component, but hey, what do I know -- I am just one of those college-educated, yuppie, SUV-driving engineers who doesn't know what they are talking about...

I will qualify my above commentary by stating that I do not own any of the "Big 3" but do own several older Bolens Iseki diesels that I perform all the work on myself, so my comments are truly unbiased by any color or manufacturer and based on my education and training in the electrical engineering field.

TC 33D Blowing Fuses
New Holland Tractors
Replies 47 Post by JimP

Wow, the Weedbadger is quite a piece of equipment! The setup these farmers have is much simpler and smaller, but from the diagram on their home page, the concept is the same. Trimming wheel was maybe 12-16" and this looked like something that was bolted onto the side of a mower or brush cutter -- dependent on a rear mower and not a standalone unit like the WeedBadger. The mower/brush cutter mowed up close to the trees and this contraption cut the 12" in between the stumps. By taking a pass of each side of the trees, pretty much everything in the stump line is cut. I assume that it was probably powered by some pulley and a belt from the nearest spindle -- I need to get a up-close look of this setup, which is just an extra trimmer, not a tiller like the WeedBadger.

controlling grass along fencing
Mowers Field and Finish
Replies 50 Post by JimP

Most loader hydraulic circuits are self-bleeding. Run your loader through the full range of motion in both directions on both hydruailc circuits (lift and bucket roll) and any air in the system should be bleed out by the tractor hydraulics. Maybe someone with a 4610 can chime in if this would be different for that model tractor.

model 4610 hydralics
Antique Tractors
Replies 2 Post by JimP

Umm, YOU are selling these tractors, and you are asking US for basic sales information to sell them? I am truly amazed...

KAMA and Tai Shan Tractors
Jinma Farmpro Agracat Nortrac
Replies 50 Post by JimP

Define "installed"? Rear PTO pump or tractor hydraulics? Custom Woods subframe that fits your tractor? Price sounds really high if just 3PH mounted and no pump. Back when I was looking a couple years back, $5K seem to be the rock bottom price I could find for backhoe w/o a PTO pump or subframe. Add both and your price doesn't seem too far out of line.

woods 6500 back hoe
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 6 Post by JimP

Hope all the hydrualic hoses on the loader are 2-wire type, as except for 1-wire 1/4" hose, you would be above the working pressure of all larger diameter 1-wire hoses at the PSI measurements being thrown around.

790 hydraulic pressure boosted
John Deere Tractors
Replies 42 Post by JimP

I have several digital pics of my setup that I have marked up w/text to show all the pieces and how they fit together, as explaining this (especially to a newbie) can be somewhat difficult. Send me your e-mail address (mine is in my profile) and I can send you some pics on this.

Newbie help for back hoe
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 8 Post by JimP

1152x864 on 19" -- New computer and monitor has about 6 more settings on top of the standard sizes.

What Display Resolution Does your PC have
Website Operations Howto
Replies 27 Post by JimP

And yor Iseki 1610 is 16HP at the PTO, contrary to whoever sold you the tractor said the gross engine HP is...

What size tiller for a 20hp tractor
Operating and Attachments
Replies 5 Post by JimP

ncrunch32 - can you e-mail me? I also work for Big Blue in Poughkeepsie and trying to help a fellow co-worker size/buy a JD 4210/4310 from Adams Power Equipment. We would be interested in hearing your experiences in dealing with them.

JOHN DEERE 48 BACKHOE PRICE QUOTE
John Deere Tractors
Replies 43 Post by JimP

Not to beat a dead horse here, but I would think that you would NOT want to use a backhoe on a tractor that small without both stabilizers firmly planted on the ground. I have a similar sized Bolens Iseki with loader and backhoe (with subframe) and would not even think about using the backhoe without the stabilizers down.

Backhoe as a plow
Kubota Tractors
Replies 11 Post by JimP

Thanks Bliz - looks like this fits quite a few tractors. $6 list price thru waltstractors - any takers?

Kubota fuel filter
Parts and Repair
Replies 3 Post by JimP

Hey Chief - ditto for me with Dish Network -- have had mine for over 4 years now with no major problems beyond the original remote dying this summer. Good timing on my neighbor's part though, as I saw the installation guy installing a new dish on their house not long after. I couldn't figure out why their dish was pointing SouthEast towards the Atlantic, when mine was pointing SouthWest towards the middle of the country (we are in NY State). Come to find out they had signed up for the "International Service" which now makes sense. While I was BS'ing with guy, I happened to mention my bum remote and ended up getting a free replacement from a unit he had in the back of his truck. No complaints from me!

The sports packages are weaker on Dish Network, but I have just seen them advertising for the equivalent of NFL Ticket for the NHL -- 5 dedicated channels with some ridiculous amount of games a year. I'm gonna call and see if I can join up mid-way thru this season. Go Bruins!

4D-TV MPEG-2 or Dish TV Network
Just For Fun Off Topic
Replies 37 Post by JimP

Chief - they had the father/son on the local radio station here a few months back. During the interview, the topic of the prices of their bikes came up. Paul Sr. said there were getting up to $250K for some of the corporate purchases. Me thinks it may be time for a career change!

Monster House
Just For Fun Off Topic
Replies 11 Post by JimP

Mike - You have a 3-cyl G174 -- all the serial numbers line up. TX1500F is the 2-cyl Iseki model number and TX1510F is the 3-cyl Iseki model number. Decals, model numbers, and engine all say a TX3 3-cyl G174, so that mystery is solved (still don't understand that original bill of sale though)

Chief - Bolens imported Iseki tractors starting in 1977 and redecaled them under their own name. These smallest of the diesels (15HP and 17 HP) models came first with a Mitsubishi 2-cyl diesel (KE70/KE75) and then replaced with 3-cyl Mitsubishi diesel (K3A/K3B) starting in the early 80s. Very reliable diesel engines -- flipped a 1000 hours on my G152 mower last year and still going strong. I'm currently starting a restoration project on my H1502 with loader and backhoe similar to the one posted on the BolensDieselClub.

On a somewhat related note, I've been following this site for over a year now. I've read a lot about the Kubota BX22 without having ever seen one in person. A neighbor down the road just picked up a BX22, and it reminded me very much of my own Bolens H1502 Loader/Backhoe combo in terms of size and capabilities.

New to me Bolens Tractor
Other Tractor Brands
Replies 19 Post by JimP

Hi Mike - you should be able to get any of these locally:

Filter Bolens # Wix # NAPA # Fram #
==== ======== ====== ====== ======
Fuel 1876440 33624 3624 BG9271
Air 1872002 46270 6270 CAK530
Oil 1874139 51064 1064 PH3593A

Wix makes all of NAPAs filters, which is why the numbers are pretty similar.

Hope this helps...

Isiki Tractors
Other Tractor Brands
Replies 12 Post by JimP

I am having the same problem too -- the scroll bar does not work in the "New Posts" or "Hot Subjects" windows/forms. Dennis - anything change over the past couple of days?

New Posts
Website Operations Howto
Replies 8 Post by JimP