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I'll throw in one more comment regarding dealers. The old adage that you are better off selling yourself seems to apply to tractors even more so than cars. I bought a cherry 800 hour 2240 JD around six years ago for $7500. All the dealers at the time told me it was worth $5000 max even though every 2240 I saw advertised in the market bulletin, epuipment trader, etc. was at least $7k. Most were in the 8 - 8.5K range.
Last spring, my father-in-law wanted to trade his fairly nice 8N on a more modern tractor, and the dealer offered $1000. A decent 8N will bring $2500 or so all day long in these parts. In fact that's what he got for it a few days after he parked it in front of his house with a for sale sign on it.

JD 2020 Pricing
John Deere Tractors
Replies 4 Post by Jelliott

bsimmons,

With the weights you will be towing, don't even think about anything higher (numeriaclly) than 3.73 gears. I've got 3.54's in my '01.5 H.O. 6 speed Cummins Ram. I pull a triple axle trailer with a loaded weight of around 12K with no problems what so ever.

3 73 vs 4 10
Pickup Trucks and Trailers
Replies 16 Post by Jelliott

Ted,

I believe I got a pretty good deal on my tractor. I purchased it from Goss Tractor in Jasper, GA. I have bought equipment and supplies from Goss for several years, but this is my first tractor purchase. The folks at Goss are very friendly and seem to be knowledgeable about their product line. I would recommend them to anyone in the market for a Kubota. Bear in mind though, that I have not had any service work done by Goss, so I can't comment of how they would treat you on warranty/service issues. I have no reason to think that they would not treat you right, just do not have any experience, so I can't say for sure.

I shopped around in the north GA area, and bought from Goss because they are located around ten miles from our home. Mason Tractor in Blue Ridge offered to match Goss' price, as did a guy in Rome - I can't remember the name of his dealership. Regardless of where you buy, I believe you will be pleased with the B7800.

fair price for kubota B7800 with equipment
Kubota Tractors
Replies 16 Post by Jelliott

Thanks for all the advise. I believe I will let it ride for now. If there is a problem, I'm sure it will as problems do, get worse not better.
The temp. was in the teens the night before I used the tractor, but had warmed to the low 30's. The hydraulic oil was possibly still much cooler.
Unless I experience more problems, I'm going to hold off another 15 hours and change all the fluids/filters at 50 hours per Kubota's recommendation.

Balky B7800 loader
Kubota Tractors
Replies 6 Post by Jelliott

beagle,

I concur! As I have posted several times since purchasing my B7800 last spring, the one thing I really miss is the full control 3PH. I believe I would still opt for the B7800 over the 2710 though.

Which is better B7800 or B2710
Kubota Tractors
Replies 11 Post by Jelliott

Sounds high to mee too. I paid somewhere in the mid-high 16's (can't remember the exact figure, I purchased my tractor last June) for my B7800 with R4's, LA 402 loader, and 72" MMM.

B7800 w FEL 16500
Kubota Tractors
Replies 4 Post by Jelliott

kwschumm,

Totally off topic here, but it's a slow day at work, and I was perusing everyone's photo album. Saw your pic of your 4310 laying on it's side. How did that happen? Did you ride it out or bail?
In addition to my B7800, I have an old 2240jd without ROPS. Everytime I see a picture like yours, or hear of another rollover fatality, I re-consider whether or not to cough up the ~1k from the jd dealer for the factory ROPS. I've been around tractors for 44 years now, and the B7800 is my first tractor with ROPS. I have somehow managed to survive, but I still worry about the old jd though, especially since my wife uses it more than I do.

TC55DA Super Compact Tractor
New Holland Tractors
Replies 22 Post by Jelliott

My wife could bushhog all day on my old 2240 JD. She likes mowing on the new B7800 as well, but, believe it or not, prefers the collar shift transmission on the JD.

Chief, she also has no trouble rowing through the gears of the NV55600 in our Cummins diesel Ram!

Making the deal
New Holland Tractors
Replies 12 Post by Jelliott

How much equipment do you have with your 3000, and how much will be compatible with the TC29/30? I have a 2240 JD (little bigger than a 3000) and a B7800 Kubota. I have a lot of equipment that works great with the JD, but would totally overwhelm the Kubota e.g. 287 (7') bushhog, heavy duty 6'box blade, 8 disc Talorway harrow, etc. I would evaluate how much of your existing equipment could be used on your new tractor before making any purchases. By the way, I'm not very familiar with late model blue tractors, so it is possible my comments are without merit - I was thinking the models you mention are basically the same size as my Kubota, if not please disregard.

Replacing Ford 3000
New Holland Tractors
Replies 8 Post by Jelliott

I too was considering a mule/polaris/gator/cart for use around our farm. What we ended up with is a ragged, rusty, but mechanically sound '87 Toyota 4x4 std cab shortbed pickup. I will admit that it is probably not as much fun as any of the other options, but it will haul more, and is more economical than most of the others (paid $1K). Also, it is truly unbelievable where you can go with one of these things if you are not at all concerned about preserving the bodywork.

Golf cart ATV or Gator type vehicle
Utility Vehicles UTV/ATV
Replies 127 Post by Jelliott

I bought my B7800 in late June as the 0% deal was set to end on 6-31. Seems like Kubota keeps extending the 0% deal every month, sooner or later they're going to pull the plug though. If you are serious about buying, and can find the machine you are looking for in stock, go ahead and go for it!

B2910 vs B7800 price
Kubota Tractors
Replies 9 Post by Jelliott

Final Update: I took my clutch and pressure plate assy back to the dealer. He ran a querry, and showed me where it had been six years since he last ordered these parts. He used to carry Ford in addition to JD, said he used to sell/install lots of clutches in Fords, but very few in JDs. Anyway, I could not blame him for not wanting to take my parts into stock. He returned them to JD but only charged me a 15% restocking fee and no shipping. The counter guy had told me in error that it would be 20%, and that I would have to pay shipping. Somehow, $88 was a lot easier to swallow than $117 (parts cost $587). Hopefully my clutch will hold out for several more years, the tractor has 800 odd hrs on it, and the clutch still looked new, so hopefully I will not have to split it again anytime soon.

JD 2240 with noisy clutch
John Deere Tractors
Replies 36 Post by Jelliott

Thanks for the heads-up on the Cummins survey, Chief. I'll pass on your recommendations regarding the exhaust brake, and lift pump. I surf the TDR fairly regularly (I'm RedRam1 on the TDR), and have read all the reports on lift pumps. Can't help but think this problem is exaggerated. Although my truck ('01.5 2500 4x4 ETH/DEE) is only at ~28K miles, I have several buddys with 98.5 & up CTDs with over 100K, one guy just turned 200K with no lift pump failures. I know that sometimes these trucks will continue to run almost normally with a weak or dead lift pumps, which it hard on the VP44 injection pump, but really doubt that my acquaintences with high mileage CTDs are running with dead pumps. The guy with 200K just returned to GA after hauling a bunch of horses to Montana.

Cummins Customer Survey
Pickup Trucks and Trailers
Replies 7 Post by Jelliott

This thread contains several references to the 'other board'. Can someone post the URL so I can check it out?

Classified Ad Policy
Kioti Tractors
Replies 42 Post by Jelliott

Kasey,

Are you looking for a rotary cutter (bush hog), or a finish mower? I have a 287 (7') bushhog rotary cutter that I use to knock down 3 - 4 ft. grass in my pasture a couple times a year. My 50pto hp tractor handles this pretty easily, but I cannot imagine trying to use this cutter in high grass with my 30 hp B7800 Kubota. Sounds to me like you are close to the limit with your 5' cutter.

How can I size a mower
Mowers Field and Finish
Replies 7 Post by Jelliott

I've used both. My opinion is that the MMM is far more conveninent to mow with, and far less convinent to install or remove. I have a B7800 with 72" MMM, I believe I could hang with Chief & remove the mower in 3 - 5 minutes, but installing it ususlly takes a little longer, and is somewhat of a pain.
You will also need a level, paved surface on which to install your MMM. I made the mistake of taking mine off in the pasture one time, and it took me dam near an hour to get it hooked back up, this would not be an issue with a 3ph mower.

Belly Mower or Pull Behind Finishing Mower Choice
Mowers Field and Finish
Replies 10 Post by Jelliott

Bobby,

This is a little off the subject, but are you sure the LA402 FEL is compatible with the B2710? I bought a new B7800 about a month ago, but considerd several other models (B7500, B2710, B2910, etc.) before buying. I seem to recall that the B7800 & B2910 were the only models that were compatible with the LA402 FEL. The additional capability of the 402 FEL was the primary factor that led to my choosing the B7800 over the B7500.

Good Price Kubota B2710HST 4WD
Kubota Tractors
Replies 4 Post by Jelliott

Art,

I'm not running at a constant 1250, that is the max temp I have ever seen - I was pulling a ~12K load up a long incline. EGT's do not get much over 1000 - 1100 under more normal operation conditions.

Performance Mods Bombing Feed Back
Pickup Trucks and Trailers
Replies 12 Post by Jelliott

I really wanted a diesel mule, but could not justify the $9k price. Bought a ragged, but mechanically sound '86 toyota std cab short bed 4x4 for $2,000 to use for a farm/utility vehicle. My neighbor has a gas 4 x 2 mule, and I can go lots of places he can't go, while hauling considerably more with my Toyota. If you are not worried about scratches, dents, etc, it is amazing where you can go with a little Jap 4x4 pickup. For my purposes, this truck is a very cost effective soultion, however, if I hit the lottery, I'm still gonna get that Mule!

Sure do love my Mule
Utility Vehicles UTV/ATV
Replies 19 Post by Jelliott

Regarding Kubota's 0% interest deal: This is for real. I know auto dealers frequently make up for special financing by jacking up the amount financed, but this does not seem to be the case with Kubota.
When I bought my B7800 a few weeks back, I went with my checkbook in hand ready to pay cash - I had sold my old, paid off home, and had not closed on the new place yet, had a couple hundred G's in the bank for the first time in my life! Anyway, when I negiotiated the deal on my tractor, which from reading other posts here on the boards was a pretty good price, my dealer asked if I wanted to do the 0% financing. I could not get him to come off another penny if I paid cash. The only difference was a processing fee of something like $150. I'll pay a hunderd and fifty bucks anyday of the week to get a true 0% 36 month deal.

Regarding truck mpg: My '01 Cummins Dodge with H.O. motor/NV5600 6 speed gets 13mpg towing around 10K lbs. (2240 JD on heavy duty triple axle trailer), babying it empty I can get 21mpg.

Diesel option cost: On the Dodge, I think the H.O. Cummins was around $3500 list above the base 360 gas burner, around $2500 extra on the invoice price. Seems like the NV5600 tranny was around $1K. No way in the world a Dura/Allie LISTS anywhere near $10K more that a comparable gas burner, assuming ALL other options are the same. It is entirely possible that dealers will not deal on a Duramax nearly as much as on a gasser though.

Hello Green Goodbye Orange
John Deere Tractors
Replies 74 Post by Jelliott