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I would like to debunk another myth if I might. The average price of gasoline has been tied to US inflation for the last 50 years despite the peaks and valleys.
It is a bit hard to determine which is the chicken or the egg, but there seems to be a correlation and obviously if we look at the high inflation years of the 70 and 80's they seem to be somewhat in a response to the inflationary pressure of oil prices (Not Carter).
I guess this shows the need for stable energy suppliers and that we are not really paying more for gas than we did. Maybe less.
The inflation is published number and the averge gas cost in 55 is from the US energy commision numbers.
There was a scam pulled in the 80's where the octane level of regular was lowered, therefore the old regular is now mid grade, therefore the later numbers may better correlate to the midgrade numbers.

Year Inflation Cost
Rate Regular Gas
1955 -0.31 $0.30
1956 1.56 $0.30
1957 3.38 $0.30
1958 2.98 $0.31
1959 0.58 $0.32
1960 1.72 $0.33
1961 1.13 $0.33
1962 1.12 $0.33
1963 1.1 $0.34
1964 1.37 $0.34
1965 1.62 $0.35
1966 2.92 $0.35
1967 2.84 $0.36
1968 4.26 $0.37
1969 5.29 $0.39
1970 5.94 $0.41
1971 4.31 $0.43
1972 3.31 $0.45
1973 6.2 $0.47
1974 11.11 $0.50
1975 8.98 $0.55
1976 5.75 $0.60
1977 6.62 $0.64
1978 7.59 $0.68
1979 11.28 $0.73
1980 13.48 $0.81
1981 10.36 $0.92
1982 6.16 $1.02
1983 3.21 $1.08
1984 4.37 $1.11
1985 3.54 $1.16
1986 1.86 $1.20
1987 3.66 $1.23
1988 4.12 $1.27
1989 4.81 $1.32
1990 5.39 $1.39
1991 4.22 $1.46
1992 3.01 $1.52
1993 2.98 $1.57
1994 2.6 $1.62
1995 2.76 $1.66
1996 2.96 $1.70
1997 2.35 $1.75
1998 1.51 $1.79
1999 2.21 $1.82
2000 3.38 $1.86
2001 2.86 $1.92

Oil Reserves
Just For Fun Off Topic
Replies 25 Post by Peters

A must read, ballast numbers: Deere 4100 series, 870, 4200/4300/4400 series. <br>
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Some times it is good to review the owners manual on a regular basis.<br>
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Lately I have read several posts where folks with 790’s, 4100’s and other compact Deere tractors have commented about weight and balance and how the tractor feels “light” in the rear end. <br>
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Well it turns out Deere knows this too, and while I was reviewing the manual for my 410 loader, I found some real interesting ballast numbers.<br>
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First of all, if you have the tires on any of the above models set to minimum width and you are using the loader, liquid ballast in the rear tires is MANDATORY.<br>
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The following are the MINIMUM safe ballasting requirements for use with a loader according to John Deere.<br>
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4100 series/410 loader: six wheel weights (or liquid filled tires) + 3-pt ballast of 750 to 770 pounds depending on the type of tires. Total minimum necessary ballast …… 1130 pounds. <br>
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4200 series/420 loader: six wheel weights (or liquid filled tires) + 3-pt ballast of 550 to 660 pounds depending on the type of tires. <br>
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4300 and 4400 series/420 loader: six wheel weights (or liquid filled tires) + 3-pt ballast of 550 to 770 pounds depending on the type of tires.<br>
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870/420 loader: liquid filled tires + 3-pt ballast of 375 to 990 pounds depending on the type of tires and type of drive train. <br>
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Ballast box: Deere recommends a ballast box with an extension for all these models. They also say you can fill it with Portland cement and use it at a total weight of 1330 pounds. <br>
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Then (!) they say if your 4100 or 870 is to be used as a forklift or with a bale spear/fork you must ADD an additional 187 pounds of 3-pt ballast.<br>
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So here is how your 4100 HST series tractor should look if outfitted for SAFE LOADER WORK as outlined by John Deere:<br>
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Tractor………..1540#<br>
Loader………...…600# (no firm number available)<br>
Wheel wts. ……360#<br>
Ballast box…1330#<br>
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Sub-total……….3830#<br>
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Now add:<br>
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Operator……….200# (that’s you, not me)<br>
Load……...………600# (6cu. ft. of damp earth in smallest FEL bucket)<br>
Can of Beverage…..1# (pick favorite)<br>
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Now when you back out of that dirt pile, your SAFELY CONFIGURED 1500-pound tractor and load weighs:<br>
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4,631 pounds. <br>
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Four thousand, six hundred and thirty one pounds.<br>
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Just thought you should know why your tractor feels a little light in the rear end.<br>
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Why your John Deere Compact feels light in the rear end
John Deere Tractors
Replies 15 Post by DRankin

What is a back loader?
Bud

Kubota B6000 front and back loaders
Kubota Tractors
Replies 4 Post by BudG

Correction: It was a 2535 not a 2028.

Mahindra pricing versus JD Kabota NH etc
Parts and Repair
Replies 49 Post by wdbg1046

I've 8 hilly acres in TN +-2 acres of mowing, mostly wooded lot with full arena, large garden, horses, some tree removal, landscaping, and hauling cut trees up hill to the house. Folks that I've talked with recommend 27-35hp. However, I've found a 1996 LB1914 with 77 hrs on it, finish mower, carry all, boom pole, 5'box, scrapper blade, and turf tires all for $7000. At this price I could buy a FEL and have a good first tractor. BUT, is this little guy goning to be enough tractor for my needs? The first caveat from other tractor owners is to never be under powered for the job! Thoughts?

LB1814 used price and functionality
Kioti Tractors
Replies 6 Post by dugg

That is why it sounded screwy to me.

Block Heater for B2150
Kubota Tractors
Replies 15 Post by DRankin

Koby, here is the deal on the wheel weights.

I have 16 inch rims which have 13 1/4 inch clearance on the inner rim right next to the lug bolts.

I went to the local big box sporting goods store and found some weight lifting plates by a company called BFCO. They are 50#, cast iron and appeared to be just the right diameter. I got four (total 200 lbs. for $100)

When I got them home they were just a skosh to big so I had to take two of them to a machine shop and have a little metal turned off the OD. This may not be a problem with your 16.5 inch rims as I think the center section is just that much bigger.

I fashioned a center post out of a Simpson strong tie part: all I had to do was bend it straight in the bench vise and open the holes a little.

Then I drilled holes in the BFCO plates to match the square holes in the factory wheels and bolted the whole thing together.

Two plates, 100#, fit flush inside the wheel recess and leave the valve stem unobstructed. A third plate could be easily added, one would just have to drill a shallow relief cut for the valve stem.

When my tires were filled they weighed 120# more than the unfilled tires. These weights seem to be every bit as effective to me.

790 deere
John Deere Tractors
Replies 24 Post by DRankin

I believe the standard is 1 3/8 inch dia. 6 spline for 540 RPM. 1000 rmp PTO's have a higher number of splines, 21 I think. The other main size is 1 1/8 inch. Adapters can be found for 21 - 6 spline conversion. Some lawn tractors seem to have a 1" shaft, this size is harder to find.
Tractor supply should have the 1 3/8 inch stuff.

pto shaft
Hinomoto
Replies 3 Post by slowrev

Yes, I believe that there is no 1710d or it is at least very rare. Could it be a 1510d,1610d, or 1810 d? Learnard, the problem exists with Yanamr. I have seen the letter to back this up. Yanmar is not allowing parts orders anymore on these gray tractors. Serial numbers have to be entered to have parts provided. Now there are some particular ways around this, but would you do business this way? The only legitimate way would be to purchase from overseas sources. I think that quality is not being questioned. You agreed that these dealers are doing business as tractor sellers not dealers. More parts business for you, yes, but it tarnishes the industry as a whole and is tantamount to the gypsy and Irish traveler practices of years ago. We all (at least on this board) know that there are these Vietnamnese guys out their selling polished junk. In a market where the consumer is so looks oriented, this poses ethical problems in selling a product with so much confusion. Secondly, it goes back to the fact that these tractors are not designed for the US market and are not "Saftey" conscious. There is not the amount of saftey start switches, full instrumentation, readable owners manuals, fan and belt gaurds or OSHA approved roll over structures. This is not to mention official factory support for any saftey problems. Nor does it address that these tractors are expempt from emissions standards and are polluting our way of life. Most all of the dealers have the customers sign roll bar waivers. This is to protect them against law suits. It is mostly a way for the dealers to sleep easy at night. It won't hold water in a serious matter. Check out the lawsuits that have been settled if you don't believe me. Also, it is creating a long term problem. It is putting legitimate, new and used tractors dealers out of business. These are the people with real experience and knowledge that are capable of fixing these tractors. It has contributed to the demise and difficulties of many hard working, intelligent dealers because the gas station down the street was cutting the legs out of their sales. And it must be understood that these gas station dealers and car lot dealers and front yard dealers are not capable of handling service problems. Finally, they are telling people (to make sales) that these tractors are the same models as JD Massey or NH. While this is true in a small percentage of the cases, dealers are having frivilous law suits brought against them because they can't and won't supply the parts because "Yanmar is a John Deere and you should sell me the parts." Even some of these guys are painting Yanmars green and yellow to suggest that.

There are a few legitimate dealers who have gotten their start this way, but they quickly move on to new tractor lines. They also break their necks to help turn around any past image problems they might have suffered while selling these tractors. I don't want to say that I wouldn't but a gray market tractor. But I am informed and educated about what it is and what I should expect. The problem lies with the fact that most gray market tractor buyers are uneducated about tractors and will take the word of the gas station salesman and buy it because it only has 200 hours on it and it is a 95 year model all of which we know is not probably true. In fact these hour meters only record hours in the 100's it could be 3200 hours and the last time a YM 1500 or YM2000 model rolled off the assemby line was around 1979. It could have been 1969.
I'm all for people making money, but I hate it when an industry has been built off so much deception and depends on the customer's lack of knowledge to perpetuate itself.

1710D hydraulic problem
Yanmar Tractors
Replies 21 Post by marklugo

thanks for the info...i checked out the site and the back hoes look like what i need. also 3750 sounds like a great price considering the tractor guy down the street is asking 4500 for used junk!
thanks again

Back hoe size
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 3 Post by landscaper

Power Beyond connection for 4400 with 48 hoe. I have a clearance issuse with the disconnect of the PB hose. JD gave me a second hose to connect to the primary to extend the loop so that when hoe is in place I can disconnect tractor and connect hoe system. Is this a typical arrangement for the rest of owners? Or has your dealer found a better way to loop the hose? If so how? What part #s? Was it a PIP?

The current system works but seems awkward.

Thanks Harvey

4400 48 hoe Power Beyond connection
John Deere Tractors
Replies 6 Post by harvey

The Ford assembly plant in Oakville Ont has all its oils in 200 gallon containers & they all say Shell or Exxon on the labels-5W20.Same with all their tranny fluid no sign of "Ford" anywhere.

Synthetic Oil Shell Rotella
Parts and Repair
Replies 78 Post by larry

I have one rear outlet but need two when I mount my forklift. I got my hydraulic top-link for the forklift carriage tile with extra long hoses so I could run it from the loader bucket circuit. The loader valve has quick-connects on the cylinder hoses so steeling the bucket valve is pretty easy.

The rental unit probably has it's own control valve, and running it from a power-beyond kit would be better than from a valve controlled outlet such as a loader valve. My rear outlet is valve controlled and I run my backhoe from it, which would be similar to running a hydraulic motor. I bungee cord the valve open, and I have to be certain not to hook up the hoses backwards. Factory and after-market kits for either power-beyond of valve controlled rear outlets should be available.

Running from a loader valve outlet may make sense for a one-time rental use. The unit probably doesn't have long enough hoses but extension hoses may cost less to make than installing a rear outlet. The extra length and fittings may cut down on flow a bit and heat the oil more than a standard hookup. If heat became a problem the light use of some rest periods should manage the problem. I would check the recommended minimum flow for the rake to make sure the 2710 can power it.

Power Rakes
Operating and Attachments
Replies 10 Post by TomG

Several other impressions of my Diesel Mule. We have had some rather (record breaking) temperatures and I should get out and see if the mule starts, but on the other hand, hesitate to torture the machine unnecessarily.

The machine seems to have all kinds of tricks up its sleeve for difficult conditions, low range, limited slip FWD, def lock and 4WD, but all these things don't seem to help much in deep snow. One ad. I saw for "black water" or something like that, tires which are higher and more like skinny tractor ag tires. That might be the trick, but after having hummed and hawed for ever before finally forking out the money, I couldn't get myself to spend more and discard the original tires.

A trip in maybe a foot of snow, some couple of miles, had the drive belt smoking, to the point that you could smell the belt. Since this, I have used low range and have not had this happen again.

A prolonged drive to our dump, some five or so miles away, did make me wish that the machine was faster. Also, a gear drive would be nicer (I think) such as on some commercial utility vehicles. On the other hand, I am hardly a safety nut, by a long stretch, but I do question the safety, or lack thereof of higher speeds on such vehicles. Especially a consideration if children may use the machine.

Sure do love my Mule
Utility Vehicles UTV/ATV
Replies 19 Post by Night Hawk

I have found a 1982 Massey 210 with 900 hours It has a new 5Ft rotary mower. The guy is asking $3500.00. I was wondering 1. Is this a good deal? (It Seems to be in good shape) 2) is it possible to put a loader on this tractor.

I am new to tractors and I am looking for my first one. I have 3 acres that will be used for a homestead and the tractor will be used for all types of work on this uncleared land. Any help would be appreciated

Used Massey 210 Good Deal
Massey Ferguson Tractors
Replies 2 Post by griffith

You still around playin' the same old song???
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh
Give it a rest!
Everyone knows the normal person, NOT even the dealer can buy for these prices.
They are special deals set up for governmental agencies, municipalities, etc.

Complete Price List at this URL
New Holland Tractors
Replies 2 Post by Anon

Get'em while you can at that price. The dealer cost has increased 15% due to the dollar losing value.

Mazzatti BH 3 750
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 2 Post by marklugo

A good rule of thumb is this: Figure on 3-6 hp per foot of width when considering an implement. Consider what type of tires you are using on the tractor. Is the tractor 2wd or 4wd? Soil type, condition and how aggressive you are with the implement will also come into play.

A wider implement will aid in leveling over larger areas but could hamper you around trees, building and confined areas. Be sure and match the lift capacity of your 3pt hitch to the Gill implement.

Hope this helps.

What size pulverizer fo a JD 4110
John Deere Tractors
Replies 2 Post by Donnie Richards

I think first you should decide exactly what you want the tractor
to do an take if from there.

For the typical home owner, the JD 2210, 4010, and 4110 would all
sever you well but the 2210 gives you the most bang for the buck.

should i buy a john deere 2210 or a 4110
John Deere Tractors
Replies 8 Post by Gunfighter

You can get a new J.D. 790, 8 sp gear with 4WD and FEL for about the same money they're asking for the used 4310, 2WD...

The J.D. 4310 is a lot heavier tractor with a much stronger loader
but being only 2WD, I think the 4WD 790 would out perform it...

I gave $13,200 plus tax for a new 790, 4WD, loaded tires, with FEL. I run it in 2WD 95% of the time but put a heavy load on
the FEL, I'm glad to have the 4WD option...

Should I Buy Used 4310 Price Check
John Deere Tractors
Replies 10 Post by Gunfighter