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 | moosefishing
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 54 weatherford texas 
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2003-12-30 72662
I wonder if there is some cryteria that regulates the minumem requirements to clame "made in the USA"?
Does assembeling here in the states make it "made in USA"?
If so, how much of the product has to be assembeled here?
Is there ANYTHING out there that is grown, mined, processed, milled, forged, transported, marketed, sold, assembeled, warehoused, manufactured, owned and operated 100% by Americans, here in the States?
In my little redneck mind, Something TRULY made in the U.S.A. most likely does not exist... Someone prove me wrong please.
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 | kubotaguy
Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 360 Shepherdstown, WV
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2003-12-30 72668
I believe you are probably right. I remember for a while to get around certain taxes and tariffs, they would ship everything over here from Japan and put in 2 or 3 screws and it was classified as made in America. I was looking at Craftsman tools the other day and some said "Made in USA" and others said "Made in Japan". I think something that is made entirely in the USA is a thing of the past. ....
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| bnrhuffman
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 107 Falling Waters WV
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2003-12-30 72678
I think there are probably lots of things that are still made in the U.S., you just dont think of them right away. For instance, I work for a company that makes vinyl siding, vinyl windows and a bunch of other vinyl stuff in addition to roofing shingles. All of our stuff is %100 made in the U.S. as well as most of our competitor's stuff. The thing is that while its all made in the U.S., the French actually own the company that I work for (I still hate the French).
Just think about all the little widgets and boxes and furniture and so forth that you use daily. Its probably made in the U.S. if it doesnt require lots of cheap labor to assemble.
Oh yea, alot of the machines we use to make our products are made overseas. Does that disqualify our product for "Made in U.S."?
Still, nothing against our northern neighbors but NAFTA sucks as well as all of the manufacturing that has left our country but it probably means I can buy a computer, and many other things, dirt cheap (and I will) so who am I to complain. ....
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 | Peters
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 3034 Northern AL 
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2003-12-30 72692
Huffman;
Originally the free trade agreement was only to be Canada and the States. The big debate in Canada was the exportation of manufacturing jobs to the States. I am not sure how Canada has faired job wise.
If you look at the trade deficit with Canada you need to include the oil bill of some 2 million barrels a day, the gas bill and the electric bill.
Like wise a good percentage of the trade imbalance with Mexico is oil related. Do we have a trade balance with Saudia Arabia?
There is no free ride and to make payments for the things we buy we must trade goods. We have to make something better and at a lower cost. A dollar only has value for what it can buy. For the last number of years the dollar has been high and yet foreign business has had the funds to buy American companies. How long can we continue to sell off the country?
If we are determined to stop the bleed then we need to tackle the 12 million barrel a day oil buy and improve the products we are trying to market to the world. The oil bill has been the lions share of the trade deficit. We have other means of developing energy. We need a real energy plan for the people, a long term solution and not one dictated by large business, oil or otherwise. ....
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| moosefishing
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 54 weatherford texas
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2003-12-30 72694
Yes NAFTA did and still does suck... I was in the trucking industry when came in... I made a small fortune moving industry from the Great Lakes area to the Port of Houston, Ventura California, Southern California, and some east coast ports. We moved everything from furniture, to the machines off shore. The working class people and buildings stayed back, there jobs went away.
Its good to know that the vinal is made here... I wonder where the crude oil came from.
I sure wonder if we got into a real war, where would we get the raw materials to make the things, to build the things we need to defend ourself.
This is still a great country. Just look at all the people who are desperatly trying to get in. ....
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 | grinder
Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 677 central Maine 
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2003-12-30 72706
Ross Perot was right!
The"giant sucking sound"he talked about if NAFTA passed is
loud and clear here in Maine. I think our last shoe shop just closed or is about to. Our paper mills are on their
way out too! ....
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| moosefishing
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 54 weatherford texas
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2003-12-31 72757
Mabey, just mabey, I have thought of a product that is 100% produced here in the States..... BEEF. Yes, that good tasting, bad for your health (according to some folks)wonderfull slice of meat.
The corn and other grains most likely was grown here. The farm machinery probably came from some where else, the trucks involved with production may have imported steel,plastic, etc. The package that the beef was in when I purchased it may not be U.S.A.... But the cow, chicken, or pig, I bet, was a Red Blooded, Tax Paying American.
HOORAY ....
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 | DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada
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2003-12-31 72772
Probably the "cuts" of beef you eat are American. The hamburger (ground meat) most likely comes from elsewhere, like Australia. ....
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| moosefishing
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 54 weatherford texas
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2003-12-31 72777
Oh no... What if I claim to eat only steak? --- you know, T-Bone, Surlion, Roast, Ribs,,,, along with my Colorado Coors beer and potatoes from Idaho. (yea right) ....
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 | Murf
Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7249 Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
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2003-12-31 72780
The days of a closed economy are gone, regardless of what country you look at, the economy is global.
You can try to hold back the flood gates but it won't work. We all want to make big sales overseas to build a strong economy, but so does EVERYONE, WORLDWIDE.
NAFTA was foisted on Canada by Washington and Mexico City who wanted cheap labour and better opportunities respectively. In the long run it has probably been a good thing for Canada, we lost some manufacturing jobs, but gained a huge amount of investment and technology jobs.
Our agricultural industry has fared the same as that of our nieghbours to the south, but our oil & mining has seen more growth than ever.
All in all, the tide is changing and everybody has to decide whether to swim with it or against it.
Best of luck. ....
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