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2003-12-05          70363


Well, So much for my great little work beater!! My 86 Jetta Diesel is probably dead because of a deer strike. Now I'm gonna have to start looking for another one of these babies and they are getting RARE!!

Sorry, just venting. See a before pic on my website below. If I get the digicam back I'll put an after pic up.



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2003-12-05          70367


Now, Now, I'm sure you'll be able to find another one and just keep the deer killer for parts. My old man had a 86 Celica he drove to work everyday and had one it the back yard for parts. Smacked a deer, Insurance gave him $1,500 bucks which he got to pocket. Swithed out the grill, side fender and door, went looking for another deer, lol!!! The deer are getting awful, are you sure it was a PETA deer (from a previous post PETA bear)? ....


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2003-12-05          70378


Anybody know if those deer whistle things for vehicles actually work? They were cheap so we stuck some on and I think some insurance companies are handing them out free to customers. ....


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2003-12-05          70382


Sorry to hear about the deer strike. I'm sure I'll get nailed one of these days.

A few months ago I saw a deer get hit and if I didn't see it for myself I wouldn't have believed it. We were following another car doing about 60 when a deer shot out of the woods about 40 feet from the road and ran right into the BACK of the car in front of us. The deer actually ran right into the car rather than the other way around. I guess they get spooked, but that was sure a dumb thing to do and it seems it would have had plenty of time and room to stop. ....


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2003-12-05          70384


Yep' the run into cars like moths to flame! For very graceful and athletic animals they sure suck at road crossing :) A darn squirrels got more sense then them.

I drive home 4 nights a week and just cross my fingers. It's just a matter of when, not if I get one :( ....


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2003-12-06          70394


GOTTA LAUGH TomG. Our company's insurance requires those whistles on all company vehicles. SOOOOOO we usually have a minimum of 2 sets. Still hit lots of deer.

We haul asphalt out of Nanticoke, Oakville and Missassiaugga, Ont during the winter and we see lots of ONT plates here headed south/north that hit deer so we were thinking maybe deer up there do not understand the US whistles cause they might not say, A :-)) LMAO... and vice-versus. So you might wanna check the package and see where they were made.

I'll bring it up again, (to check were made maybe Tiawan if so no wonder we are still hitting deer US deer probably do not understand Chineese), at our Spring safety training its always good for a chuckle.

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2003-12-06          70397


Yes, in my humble, redneck, uneducated opinion, the deer whistles do work. BUT - I am not smart enough to figure out if the whistle will scare them off the road, or scare them on to the road. It will certinally get them moving around. Sometimes that is good, sometimes not.
You do have to keep the bugs cleaned out of them. Its like this... you cannot whistle if your mouth is full of cornbread!
I find it strange that the state assumes all responsibility for all game. The state will tell you when, where, how, and how many of what kind can be "harvested". Let that same animal go and do something wrong such as hit a car and hurt someone--- then the state clames "that ain't my deer".
Worse than that, do not get caught trying to salvage the meat or horns after the animal has done several thousand dollers worth of damage to your property!!!!
Maby the "be good to the animals" people should set up some sort of fund to pay back all the damage that Bambe does to the general motoring public. ....


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2003-12-06          70406


Yep, I figured those whistles might be playing loony tunes. Either that or it a way to train deer so they can record Bing Crosby Christmas albums.

The solution I like best is a sign I saw in Michigan. It said 'DEER CROSS HERE.' I wondered how many people the state'd have to hire to teach them how to read. Well, that might have made a dint in the unemployment rate. Or maybe it was just a production idea for a local road kill market.

When I was a kid, a bull elk in a zoo charged a fence where I was when I whistled to attract a friend. Elk are being introduced around here so maybe I don't want those whistles. Also don't know what they do for the bear and moose we have here. Now those really make a mess of cars and the people in them when they're hit. ....


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2003-12-06          70418


Hunting season and rut make the Deere about as spinny as a Californian valley girl.
I had one in front of me the other day and it was trying to get off the road. I was near stopped. It looked like it was on ice skates as it could not keep its legs under it. I had seen them trip before but had not reallized how slippery the paved road is to a white tail.
It never seemed to bother moose, prong horn or mule deer much. Never really have seen elk but in the back country so I don't know. Mountain Goat and sheep seem to skip over wet rocks that leave you clinging by your nails.
Maybe that is why the white tail are so bad near a road? ....


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2003-12-06          70423


Really sorry to hear about your Jetta. That sucks! I hope you can get it repaired. I cannot think of a better work beater car. If it is an consolation; VW is introducing a 2.0 liter TDI Passat next year and maybe TDI lovers will flock to that model and used Jetta's will be easier to find. That is what I am waiting for......a Passat Wagon TDI. The new 2.0 liter TDI is supposed to have alot more pep to it (135 hp). I hope they have changed the timing belt to a gear drive or chain. In my opinion, the economy of the engine is wasted on the cost of changing the timing belt every 60K or 80K depending on the model. Unless you do the belt replacement yourself, I hear it cost about $600 - $800. That and they need to do something about the EGR system. It can be turned of with the VAG-COM but you think they would come up with a better design than that. I want a TDI bad but I am waiting until they get it right.

What all go damaged on your Jetta? Does it look like it is economically repairable? If not maybe you can take what the insurance gives you for it and find another Jetta with a blown engine or trans. and transplant your stuff over to the new car body. That sounds like a BIG pain in the butt and not sure if it would even be worth it. Again, sorry to hear about your Jetta, but very glad nobody was hurt. Did you at least make some venison sausage and steaks? ;-) ....


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2003-12-06          70431


Probably half the people who complain about the deer, feed them in their backyards,rut does make them active,but if there would more more killed and less fed,then...... Richard ....


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2003-12-06          70438


Thanks for the sympathy.

Unfortunately my white Jetta was a $500 car to begin with, and to insure it with comp and/or collision, my ins co wanted a professional appraisal and other "hoops" jumped through, so I said to h#ll with it and just went with liability.

Damage: Grill, right headlight, hood, right fender, maybe radiator support and right inner fender support. I hit HER (Too small to keep, but big enough to cause damage!)right in the head with my right headlight, so her behind swung around and distroyed the entire fender, but luckily not the door. If I can find a cheap fender I'll try to fix her. ....


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2003-12-12          70991


i'm told that deer bolt into your vehicle at nite because the moving shadow of the deer caused by the headlights makes it jump away from the shadow.
one of my son's hit 11, yes eleven deer one year with his old 51 chev. p.u. and it had deer whistles. go figure. ....


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2003-12-13          71048


I bet the hood and fenders on a 51 chevy are about the same thickness as some of todays bumpers. ....


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2003-12-13          71063


Mark, I bet you are right about that! LOL!!! AV8R, if you can get the car repaired, you might want to consider a "buck stopper" bumper/grill guard. Some guy over on the TDR is working a group purchase. ;-) ....


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2003-12-14          71124


Naw, not really worth it. I think I'm gonna sell her to someone who wants a project. Got a new fender and headlight for her, but no time to install. Any takers?? ....


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2003-12-14          71127


Sometimes when they get that old and that much mileage; it cheaper to keep her. I have a 1987 Nissan Puslar NXSE with about 145,000 miles on it that I keep just to put around locally with. I would get anything for it selling it and I still get the value of cheap transportation out of it. ....


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2003-12-15          71210


A local fella here is the fleet supervisor for mthe local police force which is a regional force, the equivalent of a county sheriff's office. They cover a huge area, rural and suburban. He claims that deer strikes with cruisers decreased 75% after adding deer whistles to the fleet. At first they weren't working but the manufacturer came in and explained they were mounted wrong. Apparently incorrect mounting will render them absolutely useless.

They must be mounted in such a way as to get full exposure to the oncoming air, ifthey are in an eddy current or low spot where there is a vacuum instead of a jet of air they do nothing. The bigger the vehicle the worse the problem to find a suitable mounting location is, big trucks make big air turbulence.

Generally he said the best place they found was the top of the light bar. They have a few Yukons and Expeditions they use for special units like the K-9's and rural patrols and he said they use the top of the side mirrors for the whistle mounts.

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2003-12-15          71211


I haven't hit a deer ..... yet.

I did put a full grown female moose through the windshield of a Ford Crown Vic at highway speed. On the cosmic balance scale that has to be worth at least ten deer strikes. ....


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2003-12-15          71213


Thanks Murf! I'm gonna give that a try. That sounds like a valid theory. I had been mounting them on the bumper. ....


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2003-12-15          71215


I was told that the whistles are different and one is suppose to go on one side and the other on the other side. It was something about putting them on wrong side they wouldn't work right. I can't remember where I heard that from. I'm all ready suffering from CRS and I'm only 31!!! Is there any hope for me? ....


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2003-12-15          71220


Whistles and cow catcher bumper guard don't work. My brother-in-law has an Avalanche with the whistles and the cow catcher front end add-on. He just hit a deer, the whistle didn't appear to work and the cow catcher got bent too and only cost $2,500.00 to fix. Didn't even kill the deer. ....


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2003-12-15          71224


Commercial snowplows work REALLY well as 'deer catchers', they even fire the body into the ditch instead of leaving it in the road if the blade is angled correctly.

One of my guys got one last week on his way out with the spray rig, it was dark and he didn't see it until it was too late. Luckily the spray tank was full, the back end tends to get kind of light with the wieght of the blade up in the air, a big hit like that might have spun him around, or at least made it unstable. Mind you with 1,000 gallons sloshing around evasive maneuvers or sudden stops aren't going to happen even if he HAD seen it coming.

Best of luck. ....


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2003-12-15          71227


Mark, on the cosmic scale your stars must have been lining up 'cause I can't believe you weren't squished like a black hole. ....


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2003-12-15          71228


A deer totalled out my wife's Bonneville a couple of weeks ago. I drew her a picture of her new Accord with a crash panel that looked like the Kubota grill guard that comes with the FEL only wider. Let's just say she didn't think it was half as funny as I did... ....


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2003-12-15          71230


I was talking to a body shop guy a while back. He had a Honda Civic that hit a large dog and did about $75.00 damage to the grill.

Also did $7000.00 (!!!!) damage to the interior when the air bags deployed.

Two years ago, my wifes mother was killed by an airbag. Keep those kids and elderly folks in the back seat. ....


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2003-12-15          71231


Ken... I came mighty close that day. Lots of folks have died in such circumstances.

I had just enough time to swerve toward the guard rail and put the moose carcass through the passenger side of the windshield.

Good training saved my butt several times. ....


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2003-12-15          71238


Many years back when airbags were first out I was at the local Ford store getting some touchups done on one of my trucks.

When I went into the body shop office there was a lady standing at the counter REALLY chewing out the manager, a super nice guy, and all he could say was "I'm soory ma'am, it's the LAW, I HAVE to put a new airbag back into your car!".

Undeterred she said if it had an airbag in it she didn't want it back, PERIOD.

When she turned around I almost lost control of my bladder!

She had two black eyes and a huge bruise on her forehead which was in the form of an absolutely PERFECT impression of the Lincoln logo.

She had bumped another car in the course of parking hers at the mall and the airbag had deployed.

After she left I suggested to the body shop manager that no matter WHAT vehicle she drove there would be a "bad airbag" in it..... it was then his turn to nearly lose control of his bladder.

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2003-12-15          71240


The newer cars have the second generation bags that deploy a bit slower than the original ones did. My wife said she felt no bruising whatsoever so I expect they work as intended. The airbags were about $2000 of the repair cost.

You're right though, keep the kids and older people in the back seat. ....


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2003-12-20          71783


Thought I'd give you folks the update on the dead Jetta.

It will LIVE again!! $35 fender, $60 (!!) for a headlight and turn signal, free left over paint (From 2 years ago "driveway" paint job), free use of the paint booth at work and tomorrow -- Reassembly!

I brought out my Dodge truck from semi-retirement to use, but as much as I love my Dodge, 45mpg from the Jetta can't be beat! She just runs too well to junk!

BTW had to put new batteries in the Dodge, and found that Semi tractor type ( type 31-P case ) batteries of 950 amps are much cheaper than the oem small case batteries. A bit of plastic trimming was all that was necessary to fit them.

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