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SteveT
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2001-04-02          26203


I have just been quoted prices on the Woods 9000 for $7495 and a NH 758C for $6500. Both with subframe. I understand the NH dosen't require removal of the 3 pt while the Woods does. How do these compare? Is the Woods worth 1K?



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2001-04-03          26234


I have only used a woods 7500 "groundbreaker" version, it has a subframe which doesn't require the 3ph to be removed! What size tractor is it going on? If it is big enough (50hp, 5000#) I would skip the subframe to save on ground clearance. I am very impressed with mine and I have operated bigger dedicated TLBs and tracked excavators so maybe I wasnt expecting as much as some people do when they get such a toy. Ask about bucket sizes, my dealer sold them at the same price no matter what size bucket came with it, So I got the biggest and bought the smallest seperately (more money if I did the opposite). Happy digging. ....


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2001-04-03          26266


I am also in the market for a Woods 900 and really didn't consider the NH 758. Don't exactly know why not but had heard nothing but good about the Woods. I also believe there is a size difference between the two. The NH 758 is basically a 8 1/2 ft model and the Woods 9000 is a 9 footer (overall depth capability and all corresponding measurements about 6" more) --only half a foot but what the heck! I was told conflicting stories about whether the 3ph needs to be removed on either model, so can't confirm either way for you on that one. What I can tel you is that I was quoted $6,500 - $6,800 (2 dealers within 1 hr)for the woods 9000 installed on my NH TC29 (35 hp) tractor with subframe. I got a quote of $6,000 if I pick up the hoe and install it myself. Seems as though $7500 is a tad steep but I guess it depends on your dealer and locale. Lastly, as has been said too many times, be very wary about a 3ph only hoe on any farm or compact tractor. Invest in the subframe! ....


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2001-04-03          26267


Totally off topic! Just noticed that all three of us on this thread were Steves! Coincidence or something to do with ages - we were all from that period in time when Steve was the name to give (or my brother Mike!)! ....


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2001-04-03          26269


This is going on a TC40D that I'm working on purchasing now. Two dealers have quoted on the same set-up except for one has the Woods and the other the NH. I haven't seen a NH backhoe so I'm looking for some input from someone that may have made this decision already or has used both. The bucket size is 18" which will be a bit big for some stumping I need to do but I have quite a bit of sand on the property that I'll be using for fill. ....


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2001-04-03          26270


Even more strange, My nickname is Ste-vee-T or as my license plate notes "STE-VT" Your call name backwards... ....


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2001-04-03          26271


The dealer nearest me has been 10-15% higher than any other posts I've seen on this board (figures). So the $1000 difference seems right in line with his other quotes. If I can get the other dealer to go with the Woods for the same price I will, but the 3pt deal bothers me a bit. Just haven't heard much about the NH unit... ....


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2001-04-04          26308


Three Steves; no waiting......Apologies for butting into the all-Steve network :-) Especially since I have an older 3pt hoe and have never used the ones you are talking about...
Glad to see you are going for the subframe. I'd never buy another 3pt backhoe. I have seen subframes that required you to remove the 3pt arms when you had the hoe on the tractor. The worst subframes (which used to be common) didn't allow you to use the 3pt at all when the subframe was attached, much less the hoe.
I find that although reach and digging depth get discussed a lot, what I could use just as much is more loading height.
As far as buckets go, they are very expensive. The cheaper buckets are also easier that one might think to damage if you pull on a rock or a root with one tooth. I tore one of mine - 11" width - almost in half last year. This is even more of a problem with wide buckets. So take a suspicious look at the bucket construction.
Hydraulic power: usually the bucket rotation move has the highest power, followed by crowd, lift, and swing in that order. Which means this is also the order of speed from slowest to the fastest. You want to check that the swing speed is not so high that you are always crashing the hoe side to side. I like a delicate swing move and you will too - but few hoes have this for some reason.
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2001-04-04          26317


I own a woods 9000, mounted on a Kubota L4310. It has only been used about 10 hours as of yet, and I am very happy with it so far. It is subframe mounted,
and also has the pto pump option. I am from Massachusetts, and all the dealers
I dealt with would not sell a backhoe without the subframe. Bucket size is
18". I don't know anything about the New Holland hoe, but I am very haapy with
the Woods hoe. As for my experiance, I also have a 1961 Case 530 which was bought new by my Dad. He had the 3 point hitch and pto removed, and had a
backhoe mounted permanently. It will dig about 14' deep. As far as ripping roots around stumps, the old Case is still stronger, but the new machine is
much more manuverable, and I don't do any big work any more. Good Luck with
which ever you purchase. ....


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2001-04-05          26363


Anyone compared the W9000 to the 758C? I see the Woods looks rugid and hear it is a great hoe but haven't seen the NH unit nor heard anything about it other than what I can read in the brochure. My local dealer doesn't sell the NH unit... ....


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2001-04-08          26449


I was also quoted $7500.00 for a Woods 9000 on my TC40D but was not told about removal of the 3pt hitch. I'm in the Northeast and I'm concerned the Woods unit will have trouble digging in the soils we encounter here. Anyone have a comment on that issue? ....


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2001-04-08          26467


Based on the quote you have I'd guess your in central New Hampshire. I have gotten the highest quotes on everything I've been interested in here. I should have another quote on the Woods 9000 from a dealer in NY tomorrow that has been 15% lower on all prices. As far as how effective this unit is, an example that was mentioned to me was to figure it will do as well as 4 big strong guys with pick axes and shovels. Depending on soil or other influences, if it would slow down a 4 person work crew, it'll slow down the backhoe as well. Anyone else care to share on the subject? ....


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2001-04-08          26469


I just bought a used Woods9000 last month. New one was quoted at $7300 with PTO pump and 6500 without. The used one was on a 2 year old tractor with 10 hours on it and had the PTO pump - for $5800. 16" bucket as opposed to the 18 I was looking for. Sub-frame mount on a new L3710 Kubota. (BTW - looked at the TC40D but the 'bota hydro was far smoother and 'bota has a lower center of gravity)

I'm in south central New Hampshire and rocks grow well here. 'Been using it on snow and ice to get a feel for things and also working away at some construction piles on my barn restoration. This is a good backhoe but doesn't have the power of a real one (i.e. you need patience and I am still working on technique - low rpm's and get smooth first - when you are dealing with frozen soil and rock)

As for sub-frame vs. 3ph - I wouldn't even consider anything but a sub-frame. It's easy enough to walk the tractor (yes tires are ballasted and front bucket down) with the hoe. Lots of tales of what can go wrong when things aren't hooked up right. It takes me about 15 minutes to change out the arms and put the back receiver in on the 'bota - probably down to 10 when I remember which wrenches I need and get in practice. Only real drawback would be if I had a use for the mid-point PTO on the 3710 - the woods front receiver does not allow you to mount the mower - but I don't need that PTO so no big deal.
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2001-04-08          26471


Thanks guys and as you say "rocks grow well here in Central New Hampshire" and it seems that the Woods Hoe will be better than the digging I did by hand. So you do have to remove the arms of the 3pt hitch to install the subframe and PTO pump? I guess it is better than digging by hand! ....


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2001-04-08          26474


Actually the PTO pump just slides on with a spring loaded catch to the shaft. Only drawback is that the legs of the pump rattle a bit against the frame (gotta find some rubber to wrap around them). On the Kubota, you need a 17mm wrench and socket to remove the bolts from the sway arms and then a smaller (14mm - I can't remember) wrench to remove the retaining bolts on the bottom link pins for the arms. take off the arms, slide in the rear receiver (which really does cut the ground clearance) put the pins and retaining bolts in and you are ready. The thing that takes the most time (and will improve with practice I suspect)is backing the tractor into place. You try to go within a few inches of the bar you want to capture, attach the pump and use the levelers to position the unit, << don't forget to position that top link now - rough position or you get to do this all over again >> and then make your final backup. If you are within an inch or so of center everything slides into place and you lock it on with one bar and clip in the front and two pins and clips in the rear (and that top link). If not, keep jockying the tractor. I'm pretty new to it so am quite open to helpfull hints myself. As for the seperate PTO pump vs. on-board hydraulics, Ive heard good arguments both ways. The pump will give me a bit more flow if I want to run at full tilt, it keeps the fluids isolated and most important I ended up getting this used unit with the pump for less then the cost of new without. ....


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2001-04-09          26496


Ray and the Steves, I am agreat fan of Woods Manufacturing and their products, and for good reasons. Woods has ALWAYS answered my questions directly, their engineering staff will actually talk to you (not down to you), their products are well built, and they honor their warranty. As far as the 9000 Grounbreaker goes, your comparison to four guys with picks, while good comedy, really doesn't do it justice. This unit has an excellent design, and more than adequate crowd force, but what is more important, its bucket force is awesome. Woods bought the Ganon bucket company a few years back and equips their backhoes with this excellent bucket. The 9000 series buckets have a "power hole" to give additional bucket force by repositioning the guide links. Boom swing yoke and stabilizer arms are high quality, super strong castings. Boom swing is made using two hydraulic cylinders. You also have renewable tension bushings on all of the high wear rotation points. If you think this unit can't dig, and base this opinion on experience, all I can say is that the tractor's hydraulics need to be tested. I've personally run the 9000, mounted on a fifty horse Kubota, the Woods cut through the rocky soil of CT with ease and was able to pull out rocks weighing well over three hundred pounds. Is the Woods better than the NH, I'd have to say, IMHO, YES. Is it better than a Bradco or Kubota (L35) hoe of similar reach, I'd have to say, NO. Much confusion exists concerning compact tractor backhoes and power, many people think that they will turn their tractors into incredible digging machines. This is, and isn't so; small hoe operation requires years of practical experience before you get the most out of them. Many inexperienced operators become disgusted when they can't rip a stump out with a one crowd move, or finish off to grade using swing by hitting the middle of the spoil pile - things they see full size construction machines do. But have patience and once you get the hang of it, you'll be glad that you made the investment. See if you can find a dealer who'll let you run one at your home. Good luck. ....


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2001-04-09          26526


I have had three dealers tell me that they recommend the NH backhoe due to issues they have had with the Woods 9000 damaging the tractor. They mention the subframe for the NH unit is of better design and puts less strain on the tractor than the Woods unit. Is that it or does the Woods unit put more strain on the tractor because it will do more work and people must use proper care? One dealer recommended putting a 7500 Woods on my TC40D rather than the 9000. I'm sorry but I can't see going any smaller than the 9000. Three out of four want to put on the 758C BH. ....


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2001-04-09          26533


As for the concern of the 9000 damaging the NH frames, I would query Woods - they have been very good in responding. I think it is indeed more a question of user ability and proper judgement then anything else. 'Course I haven't heard of any problems with the 'bota frames :) ....


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2001-04-11          26591


I can't find anything discussing specific quality concerns on the NH 758C backhoe. Anyone have any problems with this? ....


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