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Roger L.
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2001-02-04          23940


I'm really sold on the use of end plates, tilt, angle, and offset on back blades, and have been beating that drum for years. Now I'm getting curious. I never hear from anyone else who uses these things. Am I the only one who uses a heavy blade with all of these features and especially the end plates?



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charlie
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2001-02-04          23943


your not the only one.i've been using one for the last thirty years.it's called a danusar.this was the first box blade my dad ever bought.i don't know how old it is ,but it's been around for as long as i can remember and i'll be 45 this year.ti's a standard 360 degree blade or you can put the side plates on and make it a box blade.it also has retractable scarifiers.they were built until the early 80's,but the cheaper box blades became so popular that people wouldn't spend the money to buy them.i did buy a couple of extra muhl boards a few years back to use as replacments to keep it usable for as long as i can.good luck ....


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Roger L.
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2001-02-04          23944


Well that's interesting, Charlie. Mine is a "Servis Rhino" - like yours it is an old timer. I have no idea how old. It was well used when I got it 20 years ago at a used tractor shop. I do know that it isn't anything like the lightweight blades made by the same company today. Before I started using it, there is no way I would have considered paying what a new one with these features cost. I also have a couple of modern lightweight blades, so I get to see the difference.
Now that I know how capable that it is, I would buy it again even if I had to go the cost of a new one. Someone must be making a similar blade, but if so, the dealers around here don't seem to stock them.
The various blade adjustments would be even better if they were hydraulically powered.....that just might end up being my summer implement project.

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2001-02-04          23947


Yes, we have one like that too. Its a German Deutz 6' rear blade. It was bought along with 3 new German Deutz tractors, 2 of them 64 Hp and one being 24 HP, along with many other implements, all of them bering the Deutz name on them, back in 1969. It does not have side plates but it can be tilted 3 ways, horizontally, vertically and angled too. ....


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2001-02-05          23948


Roger, how does your rear blade with side plates compare to a box scraper? It sound similar although I don't think box scrapers angle, and I use the box scarifiers quite a bit. What are the benefits of a rear blade over a box? How does the angling help? Thanks for your comments. JonB ....


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Randy Eckard
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2001-02-05          23952


Roger,
I was introduced to rear blades while working on a farm years ago. The blade we used had offset and tilt options. I found the offset to be invaluable for getting the material being bladed past the rear tires. When I purchased my compact last year I knew one project was going to be building a blade for it and offset was requirement. I finished the blade last week and just in time for some snow plowing. It has hydraulic offset with a neat little concept I came up with on my own that I will try to describe since I think you will find it interesting. The offset is the type where the main beam pivots between the three point hitch pins. On the right side of the pivot is where the cylinder mounts. On the left side I ran a telescoping link from the three point mounts back to the blade parallel with the main beam. The telescoping lind has holes for the different angles of the blade. This way I set the angle of the blade with the link then as the cylinder offsets the beam the blade stays at the same angle with respect to the tractor. I know that was wordy so if I can I will take a picture and post if. Randy ....


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TomG
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2001-02-05          23956


Don't have one, but I think listening to Roger's drum has sold me on the idea, especially a blade with hydraulic adjustments. If I do much more roadwork, I might become sold on the price too. However, I use my box to spread and compact gravel. I'm not sure how doing those operations with a blade compares to a box. For spreading (using a hydraulic top-link) I find it's real handy to drive along, shorten the link to start cutting at a high spot, lengthen it to stop cutting and drag a full box to a low spot. Then, lengthening the link some more starts spreading the box contents. Of course, things don't work quite this cleanly in practice, but it's still a real handy technique that I use a lot. For compacting, I tilt the box down so it rides on the back of its rear cutter. If a good blade with hydraulics does this sort of thing reasonably well, then I'm really sold. ....


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Murf
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2001-02-05          23961


Roger, I also believe that a rear blade cannot be too heavy. In fact when I made mine it was based on a thirty year old blade marketed at the time by Ford. For general blade work I would (and do) take a properly set-up rear blade over a box-blade every day of the week. The main difference I put into mine was in the hydraulic adjustments, there are two hydraulic cylinders mounted 'in the direction of travel' 1 adjusts the offset, the other the angle of the blade, then there is one vertical cyl. which adjusts the horiz. position of the blade. The tricky part is the 'end-plates', mine are curved to match the mould board and hyrauliclly actuated so as to open out into 18" extensions to the mouldboard, this way if I am doing final grading or cleaning light snows, I can run with it as a 8' straight blade, a 6.6' blade with one end, or a 5' box. It works very well, and is operated by a 4 way joystick (with float position for 'twist') and a 'switchable' 2 way valve for independant control of the 'wings'. Dead weight as ready to work, 800 pounds. Ability to STOP a 40 hp 4wd compact tractor when it bites in, IMPRESSIVE, LOL..... Best of luck. ....


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Mark Goehring
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2001-02-05          23969


WOW, that's sounds like one aweseome setup! Any chance you've got pictures? Of the blade AND of the hydraulic setup on your tractor ;) ....


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Ted Kennedy
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2001-02-06          23978


Murph, you never cease to amaze me. Sounds like the ultimate blade and I'm sure a manufacturer like Woods would love to see it and maybe add it to their line. Could be some patent money for you. I'd also like to see a photo. ....


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TomG
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2001-02-06          23982


Murf: I read your description several times. Think I’ve got my mind around it, and it sounds real good, but still a picture is worth......etc. I don't imagine patents work quite the same as copyrights. But in the music buz, if a performer plays a song in public, then the performer has copyright protection, although that protection fairly weak. You may have some patent protection simply by describing the blade here. I don't know law, but I do know that people who build and create things should think about the economic value of what they produce. I've played percussion for several song writer/performers and done sound for others. In the music trade, you stave unless you start protecting your songs cause there's no money playing regional clubs--it's fun though. Who knows, you may have seen me pounding my congas in Toronto some years back? ....


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Art White
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2001-02-06          23985


Murf I think you missed your calling! Many of my customers don't like what I tell them because they often come in looking for a $200. backblade for there 30hp compact and I'm telling them to buy more blade thats got the options that Roger has. Without weight you don't penetrate! Roger the blade you are useing has a newer model # I believe they are still built the same and with all the options. If you go to our web site there is a link to Rhino. ....


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Murf
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2001-02-06          23993


I will try to find (or take if it stops snowing long enough) a picture to post. The blade is nothing fancy, just the result of 1)years of frustration, 2)years of experience, and finally, 3)too much time and fabricating equipment available one week-end. Seriously though, it was not anything NEW, just really a compilation of the best features of a lot of different items blended into one very hnady implement. As for patent, it doesn't qualify since it is not "original", however I certainly could fabricate them for sale. I have done a 'thumb-nail' costing in my head in the past, in order too sell them profitably, I would have to charge ~$3500.00US per unit. While I have had several inquiries from commercial operators, no takers yet. My best advice to anyone else who is similarly frustrated at their equipment, BE NOT AFRAID, cutting, welding and general modifications are usually VERY inexpensive in the greater scheme of things, even if you hire someone to do it. As an example, ANY rear blade can be power-angled for about $200.00 or less, if you already have a hydraulic remote. Simply get a 24" stroke utility cylinder with about a 3" bore and clevis ends, extend it half way (12" out) then experiment to find where on the blade you need to mount brackets which will allow a full range of motion in the blade without any interference of parts. Attach the cylinder between the blade and arm at those 2 points, run the hoses and have fun. Best of luck. ....


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Roger L.
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2001-02-07          24005


Murf, that blade sounds impressive to me too. I'd love to see a picture. As far as patents, I think you may be missing a good bet. And it is a subject that I know something about, since I hold a number of patents - mostly of the "original idea" type that you mention. Some years ago the patent office extended the concept of patent from the "original idea" to also include "any improvements on an existing idea or process". These patents are just as strong and even easier to get. They usually start with a description of a problem with some existing product and offer a solution that will solve some aspect of the problem. You get a patent on this solution, not on the entire product. ....


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gordon
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2001-02-09          24069


I've got a series 35 Landpride rearblade with a rear gaugewheel and endplates. It rotates, tilts and offsets. A very handy item to have. A rearblade and a boxblade all in one. What works great on gravel drives is use one endplate and then the gravel will slope out gradually . So your not the only one with endplates.
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