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2008-08-02          155760


I ordered the high lift blades online from a New Holland dealer and this is the response. "The part is on back order from New Holland. They do tell me it is available to expedite but at an increased shipping cost to you." Have you ever heard of anything like this? The part should either be available or on back order. What the heck is going on here?



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2008-08-02          155762


Harley; Do they mean the blades will be shipped direct to you or are you going to pick them up at the dealership? Just a note on the blade subject, I went to the Deere Dealer for a set of blades for the 345 mower with a 54 inch deck. I have always used the Deere hi-lift blades and been happy. A man standing beside me at the parts counter suggested that I buy a set of Gator blades instead of the Deere hi-lift, that he liked them better than the Deere blades. Parts man said the Deere blades were $48.00 per set, the Gator blades were $52.00 per set, so what the heck I'll try a set of the Gator blades. I've saw absolutely no diffference. We have one 345 mower with the Deere hi-lift another 345 with the Gator blades, all looks the same to me, what are the Gator blades supposed to do that the Deere blades don't? Frank. ....


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2008-08-02          155764


Gator blades are supposed to mulch better, but not available for my deck. I have JD high lift on my GT235 and wouldn't use anything else, now I'm just trying to get them for my New Holland. ....


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2008-08-02          155773


In my area south of Detroit, NH dealers don't like to carry inventory. What they do here is if you want parts and can wait up to a week in some cases, they have weekly shipments that you parts can come in on--they generally don't charge extta for the shipping. However, if you want them next day or anything less than a week, they can order them , but will charge you freight. That's their way of "thanking" you for not having to stock the parts (a bunch of bull if you ask me).

I can't believe you can't get the Gator blades from anywhere OTHER than the NH dealer---shop online--you might find them cheaper and quicker and might even get free shipping too. If you do find them call your NH parts dealer manager and/or the owner and give them an ear full. I had to do that about having my dealer ship me cans of aeresol spray paint. The order came into their place and sat there for over a week. I called them and asked why they didn't ship it to me (I was working a 1,000 miles away from them at the time). Of course they didn't do their homework and said it was prohibited from being shipped from the government because it was "explosive". Not being one to take NO for an answer, I made some calls and found out they were full of S----. It still took more calls to the dealer and I finally got it shipped.


Self edit: If these are aftermarket blades, they may not be coming from NH Parts in the first place. The dealer may not want to buy a minimum quantity of them. So to not lose a sale what they may be doing is going down to the local lawn equipment supply---which may be the SAME place YOU should buy them from--, buying a set at or just below retail, then marking them up their typical 100% and passing the "additional" costs on to you. You're happy and they're richer.

But I'm jis' sayin' ....


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2008-08-02          155774


Try this link to Biz Rate ---they show all kinds of sizes for the Gator blades for all kinds of sellers. ....


Link:   Biz Rate finds

 

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2008-08-02          155777


Harley.....I think most things are avail for a price. I don't really understand how parts take so long to ship in the tractor business. I guess i am really lucky in my business whether ordering 300 oz of gold or ordering a $15 part for a pc of jewelry....they both can be shipped overnight for $9 to $15 bux FEDEX. Most small parts of a tractor can be shipped the same, just think parts departments want to accumulate orders first when it comes to tractors. Just think if you are buying online, don't really think the price is really that much different whether back ordered or expedited...what was the price difference. ....


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2008-08-03          155780


Still waiting for the price difference. I've looked all over for aftermarket and was told by a couple places they don't make them. The blade is 20 3/8" long if I measure straight across and 20 1/2" diagonally, with a 1 1/8" center hole. I can find some that come close but not an exact match, I'm not sure which measurement to use either. ....


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2008-08-03          155782


I google searched for a 20-3/8" agtor balde and this is what I found (only took a minute to do this). Says it fits Murray, Kubota and Ford. ....


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2008-08-03          155783


But the center hole is 29/32" not 1 1/8". ....


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2008-08-03          155784


Hey, I tried. Got a drill? ....


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2008-08-03          155785


I'm a little bit like the guy who likes to start a bar fight then quickly leaves before he gets hit by a chair. So here goes about the "Gator" blades. Is "Gator" a brand name of blades, or a generic term for blades with notches cut in the backside of the blade? As I stated in my first post on the subject we have two identical 345 Deere mowers with 54 inch decks, one with Deere Hi-Lift blades the other with the Gator blades. I would challenge anyone to show me the difference in the cut quality, or size of the clippings. The only honest difference I could see was that the Deere Hi-Lift blades blew the clipping farther out from the deck and left a bit more of an even spread of the clippings. Both decks have the plastic discharge thingy off, in our conditions nobody is within a half mile of the mowers when they are running, so no safety factor is involved. frank. ....


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2008-08-04          155798


The Gator label belongs to Oregon (may be another part to their name) who makes other blades, chain saw bars and chains.

On the link below you probably will be best off to skip past section one for it seems to be 100% by dimns.

Hardwood, we have the Gator blades on our ZTR this summer, right off my experience on that mower is par for yours. Then I look more carefully and believe the clippings are cut a little smaller when I hit the taller grass.

It is my understanding Oregon mades some of the OEM blades out there. I have used many of their normal style blades on both my Bush Hog ZTR and RFM and they are thinner and don't last as long as the true Bush Hog brand does. These are true finishing mowers and not rough just in case confusion over Bush Hog name. At same time the price is much lower and the cutting edge seems to last about as long between sharpings. kt ....


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2008-08-05          155811


Frank, I will take it one step further. I take my gator blades off after the spring sticks are chopped up because the cut is INFERIOR to the stock blades on my LT190 mower. My buddy has Oregon Gator and he swears by them and never takes them off.

I got mine (not Oregon Gators) from the JD dealer. I had the same problem getting a blade to fit as the original poster. The dealer had something he said was the same as Gators. I will put them back on when its time to chop up the fall leaves. ....


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2008-08-05          155815


Crunch; I didn't get the Gator blades till mid June so the stick chopping was done with the regular blades. I'll use the mower with the Gators for the leaves this fall and next spring for the sticks, then I'll see the difference you saw. Frank. ....


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2008-08-05          155820


"Gator" blades, the real ones, are designed to something no other type of blade does.

That is to push a good amount of the clippings back into the center of the blade instead of out to the edge and out of the deck.

High lift blades are designed to move a lot of air, and in so doing lift the grass straight up to be cut, and then to move the cut grass out of the deck.

If you are cutting more or less than 1.5" of grass per cut, they will not work to their optimum. Also, removing the outlet and or bagger unit will actually make the results worse, not better. If you are trying to mulch the clippings you need to keep them under the deck for a longer amount of time, not less. The idea is the longer the clippings are under the deck, and hitting the blades, the more they get chopped up. That is why Gator blades are designed to send the clippings back to the middle of the blade.

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2008-08-05          155836


EW
Maybe you should open a dealership and solve the problems? Paying for and tax on product on shelf for more than 30 days eats into little profits left. Internet is killing most ALL store buisness for that reason along with others. My internet purchases have increased many times over this last year or so. Ever ask why circuit city's web site can advertise and sell for less than the store? Same reason for the dealerships. Also someone needs to pay to have someone there to help you. Online you find your own product and serve yourself. So bitter we are, you need to move back north for a little "northern" adjustment, but,,,, Im jis sayin? ....


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2008-08-06          155845


B.A. (or is it B.S. hahaha)
I spoke to the parts manager in times past about the cost of parts. He told me on things like NH parts there is a 100% markup (that means they buy it for say $1 and sell it for $2) That is a pretty good return on a short term investment wouldn't you say? Car dealership parts departments are the same way.

I'd love to markup drainage pipe that I bought at Home Depot for $50 and charge my customer $100--'cept they'd have me bent over the backhoe bucket "giving" me back every foot of it.

Hey if you're so (tongue in cheek) smart, why'd you leave your PTO STILL attached? Oooooooe that hurts donit?

What else ya got big boy? ....


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2008-08-06          155851


Folk always focus on the markup and fail to realize that there is a building, staff, phone costs, utilities etc to be paid for. I don't see many Dealerships making obscene amounts of money.

If our dealership were to sell blades only:

Sale Price say 30.00
Cost (delivered) 15.00
"Profit" 15.00

Employee: 35,000 salary plus another 15,000 in indirect costs (health, vacation insurance) for 50,000 total cost to the dealership. Thats $4166 a month.

You would have to sell 278 sets of blades JUST TO COVER YOUR COST OF THE EMPLOYEE. In a 21 day working month, she would have to sell 14 sets of blades every day.

At this point we have not made one cent and we still have to cover costs of equipment, infrastructure and buildings et and we only have one employee. I often wonder how they can sell products below 200% markup?

I also suspect that EW has his "money making" jobs where he makes a markup of 500 to 1000 percent over what the job actually costs him and that those jobs subsidize the costs of others where he buys a lot of Home Depot pipe and cant charge more than 110% of what his customer could get it at from HD at, even though he had to source, order and deliver the pipe. ....


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2008-08-06          155854


I think Ann's on the right track.

The shock value of the term "100% mark-up" tends to make people oblivious to the true cost of a product, the shock stops them from looking behind the mark-up at what it costs to have those parts available for sale.

I have the same sort of thing in my business. I belong to several trade associations, they all suggest the same basic principal of pricing jobs. The starting point is 2.5 times the base labour cost, then add on machinery, supplies, etc.

Based on that principle, if a job will require $100 of labour (gross cost of labour) then the starting point for pricing out that job should be $250 before adding machinery costs or anything else.

I can tell you without a doubt, despite that first crack at a 250% mark-up, that doesn't leave much in the way of profit at the end of the job.

Best of luck. ....


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2008-08-06          155856


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you need to move back north for a little "northern" adjustment, but,,,, Im jis sayin?



BA, you do realize he was recalled to Michigan don't you? Not sure Murf will let you ship him further North but there is those Ice Road Truckers. He may could level the roads for them. Do keep him straight. Sorry, realize that is impossible. :)

EW, the way to handle the drain pipe is have the owner handle that and very serious. Tell them how much they can save by doing so them self and having it on job site in what ever lead time you require or the cost for Home Depot to deliever it is X. In life I find most people can understand such. Those who can not or will not we ship to Michigan. (next load on the way) Ok, that line on shipping them to Michigan was just to ruffle EW. It is a guarded secret where we do ship them. :) kt
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2008-09-03          156462


gator blades are sold on
agrisupply.com
many brands they claim they fit.
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2008-09-03          156464


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B.A. (or is it B.S. hahaha)I spoke to the parts manager in times past about the cost of parts. He told me on things like NH parts there is a 100% markup (that means they buy it for say $1 and sell it for $2) That is a pretty good return on a short term investment wouldn't you say? Car dealership parts departments are the same way.I'd love to markup drainage pipe that I bought at Home Depot for $50 and charge my customer $100--'cept they'd have me bent over the backhoe bucket "giving" me back every foot of it.Hey if you're so (tongue in cheek) smart, why'd you leave your PTO STILL attached? Oooooooe that hurts donit? What else ya got big boy?


EW, thought of you last week and this post as I went to buy drainage pipe. You may be buying at the wrong store. My son in law suggested a local company who makes concrete drainage and sells the plastic pipe. They were a good bit less for what I wanted than Lowes. This was field drainage pipe with the sock on it. kt ....


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