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Iowafun
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2006-10-19          136078


Ok, Since I'm moving (sold the house in 2 days), I need a trailer to haul the tractor since the relo company won't do that. I live(d) 6 miles from the dealership so I just drove it there and back. But I'm not driving it the 350 miles to Wisconsin. I could, but cold at this time of year.

I have an F250 diesel so towing is not a problem. I'd like to keep price to $2k if I can. Oh yeah, my brother is looking to buy a skidsteer so the trailer should be able to haul a smaller skidsteer. My tractor is a JD 4310, loader, mmm and attachments. So I'm thinking a 10k GVWR to cover all duties.

Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions?




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2006-10-19          136082


For that kind of money, it seems that you're looking for a nice used one.

Would suggest a 16 ft. minimum length tandem flat bed with 2 5/16 ball and electric brakes. ....


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2006-10-19          136096


Check the potential weight on that skid steer. Even a smallish one can weigh 8000-9000 pounds and be too much for a 10,000 GVW trailer.

I agree that 16 feet is the absolute minimum for your tractor. ....


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Iowafun
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2006-10-20          136123


My brother was looking at skidsteers in the 7k - 8k weight range. So a 10k GSVW trailer isn't quite enough?
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2006-10-20          136124


Yeah,8,000 lbs on a 10,000 trailer is marginal,12-14,000 and a goose neck is the next best. ++++$$$$$ ....


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2006-10-20          136126


I'm renting out my 18 ft. triple axle trailer to the shop and it is hauling a skid steer everyday along with an extra pair of forks and PHD plus miscellanous fence materials (fence company). It's gross GVW is something like 11,900lbs. New it was a $3,500.00 trailer and has no fenders. ....


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2006-10-20          136128


My 7000 GVW trailer weighs 2000# empty. I'm guessing a 10,000 GVW would weigh about 3000 pounds??

Anyway,(or in this case, anyweigh)do the math first. ....


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2006-10-20          136132


According to the manufacturer my 18' long 12k. pound trailer has an empty weight of 2,655 lbs. and its built heavy!! It's all C-channel and plate.

For a few bucks more I could have had 14k. pound capacity, but didn't think it necessary. I would think a 12k. trailer with a 10k. payload would be about all the average person would need.

Not that I advocate it in the least, but there is some slack in the "rated" capacities. The DOT or troopers will NOT agree with that philosophy though.

Best of luck. ....


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2006-10-20          136140


Iowafun,

Not what you asked but you might find it simpler to keep the two issues seperate and rent a trailer for your move.

I do wish you well with moving and the relocation. ....


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2006-10-20          136142


Murf I hear you on the DOT...but if Iowa is using it for personal, non-commercial use the DOT leaves them alone and goes for the deep pockets like you an' me--or at least you LOL (I'm a "non-profit", or it seems tha way sometimes). If you have any kind of "company" lettering on the truck and/or trailer and/or machine like I do you WILL get popped--like I did.

The bro-in-law w/skid steer issue is different than personal hauling if the DOT feels they are making money with it (Alabama DOT-- bless their hearts---says their threshold for "money making" is one dollar). USDOT motor vehicle regulations use the rated capacity of the tires themselves as the initial prime indicator of the trailer's capacity. From there they start looking at the axles (how many lugs provides a rough estimate of the rating). ....


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2006-10-20          136147


Ok, time for more data now that I made it back to Iowa for the weekend. The trailer will haul my tractor and if we don't find a house soon, maybe on more than one trip.

As for the skidsteer issue, the trailer would haul the skidsteer from where ever my brother buys it to his house. From his house it's 3 miles to the lot where he's going to build a house. So after the initial skid steer haul, the trailer will be making 3 miles there and 3 miles back. Again and again and again. Short trips never getting above 45 mph.

I'm set up for 10k lbs with my class IV hitch. Going to a gooseneck puts me into a lot more money than I want to spend as I'd have to equip the truck too. ....


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2006-10-23          136252


Does anyone have opinions on brands of trailers?

I found a Keifer built 20ft trailer that is quite nice and has the stands on the loader ramps so your truck doesn't get lifted up when loading something heavy. Other options are PJ and a B&B (I think). The new PJ is close in price to the Keifer so I'd go KEifer. But there is a used PJ for about $1000 less and is in good shape. All are more than I was wanting to spend. But it's hard to find a used utility trailer in decent shape. ....


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2006-10-24          136256


Like Wendy's used to say, "parts is parts." Any trailer I bought usually got me on the price first with a very open eye to build quality. Then there's the tires. Are they cheap Chinese ones that will blow out--like mine did? It might be a well-made trailer but did they try to be competitive using cheap tires? If so, how long can you run on them until it costs $800 to replace them? Then there's the axles. Most newer axles are pretty much standard, though you will find some on the 7,000 GVW and less trailers that use the front spindles off full size Ford cars, machine them, and weld them to axles tubes. The result is a trailer that will wear out your tires in as little a few hundred miles since they don't true them up. Do they sandblast and prime the trailer--even underneath? Or do they paint right over the steel foundry oils and scale. Without primer you will be lucky to get half the life out of it. Mine was primered and the salty mud here in Katrina-land is still wreaking havoc---like the underside of the steel deck delaminating and the fenders rusting through. Luckily I'm handy with a welder and can replace the fenders easily.

Oddly, I have 12,500 GVW dump trailer made in Canada by JDJ. It looks like it was welded by 3rd graders with blindfolds on. But it has held up the best from a rust standpoint.

Buy what appeals to your sense of design and sensability, and your wallet. ....


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2006-10-24          136258


Ole EW, as someone else here says...the smartest person I know.

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earthwrks
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2006-10-24          136263


Good ol' KT, like Moe from the Three Stooges would say, "Whhhhy, Iiiiiii oughhhhhtta..."

I guess the old addage about opinions doesn't apply here: "Opinions are like ___holes---evreyone has one and they all stink."

Maybe mine stinks more than others---I gotta wonder... ....


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2006-10-24          136264


Paint is a BIG issue.

I was really surprised at how quickly a cheap, crappy paint job will rust. And I live in the desert........ ....


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2006-10-24          136267


There's a questions related to this thread that I have had in my mind for some time now.

The background is that I will most likely be "moving on" relocating somewhere; just don't know when or where yet. I too will probably be buying a trailer prior to hitting the road much like Iowafun is doing. Will most likely get a 18' instead of a 16' so to use for other things later on (like hauling a car if needed).

If I am pulling a privately-owned trailer with my little Case on it along with all of the implements (FEL and MMM attached, tiller, box scraper, 3 pt sprayer, and rolled-up chain harrow), do I have to stop at those weigh stations along the way? Is there anything alse that I would have to do along the trek from a legal, or "have to do" view? How would be the best way to secure the trailer, and all of the goodies on it, when overnighting like at a Residence Inn or a place like that? It would be chained/secured, but put locks on too? I supposed make sure that it is parked in a well-lighted location with lots of traffic going by, or is that a built-in problem (with all of the traffic going by)? ....


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2006-10-24          136268


Iowafun:

I'm not familar with any of the brands.

1. You will want ramps as you described for loading heavy equipment.
2. A beaver tail is nice also if you have a MMM with low clearance or something hanging off the back of the 3-point so it don't dig in as you drive on and off.
3. A heavy duty frame like a big "C" frame as Murf mentioned is good or a big box frame. Mine has a 2" x 6" "C" frame which is pretty stout, some are even bigger.
4. You will want standard tires and hubs to keep replacement costs down.
5. The electric brakes should have a small battery box to energize the safety disconnect. If you pull the pin and cable, the brakes should lock. If they don't, the battery may be dead.
6. With the trailer parked on level ground, go back about 25 yards away and look to see if the frame is straight. If you have a good eye, you can notice it. Mine got bent at the shop, when they placed a Roto-Pour (machine that dumps molten metal at the foundry for GM V-8's.)on the right front corner. It still drives and tracks good and is sprung about a 1/2".
7. Most trailers have a bad paint job. If it is nice, it will look bad in a short time.
8. Check out the wiring harness and see if all the lights work. Most generally you will have trouble at some point because of stone chips, mud and moisture.

From your description it looked good, so go for it!
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2006-10-24          136275


wr5: Unless the officer (DOT) suspects you're making money with it you don't have to stop at the weigh stations. Being overloaded, is another story.

I sue the 2" wide yellow ratchet straps rated at 10,000lb. breaking strength with self-latching, flat (not round wire) S-hooks. The trucker-quality ones have a sewn-in label to verify the strength. ....


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2006-10-25          136295


EW - thanks for you opinion. The Keifer looks to have a better paint job. I keep going back to the ramps and think I'll go in that direction as it is the safest for loading heavier, short wheel-base equipment like my tractor and a skid steer.

I'll take a closer look at the Keifer. The PJ had most of the harness in conduit, but anytime the conduit moved, the wire was exposed. I don't know how common that is. I'll just have to check again and make a decision. ....


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2007-01-20          138976


I bought a C & B Model CT18 equipment/car hauler trailer for my CUT. It's simple by design, well built, good welds, good lighting, radial tires and I like the hide away ramps. It's name plate cargo rating is 7580#, 9900# GVWR. The 18' is just enough for my CUT with LX5 attached. Trailer handles like a dream. My trailer dealer called C&B to ask about the loading. C&B said they make the trailer with an 8000# Bobcat in mind. It was about $3500 OTD. I couldn't find anything as low as $2000. Good luck. ....


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2007-01-22          139033


Be careful of car haulers. The intermediate stringers under the deck are not designed to handle the narrow tread of many CUTs. The concentrated loads closer to the center of the trailer can fail the stringers in bending. Most car haulers are designed with the wheel spread of car in mind, which doesn't impose much bending in the stringers.

Look under the deck. Many car haulers have 2x2 angle stringers between the main frame. These don't make good equipment haulers. ....


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2007-01-23          139115


Looked under the trailer and the stringers are 3" c-channel. The perimeter frame is 6" c-channel. Seems pretty stout, but I'll check with the manufacturer. Thanks for the tip. ....


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