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2006-07-17          132302


The subject of the job and industry situation in Michigan has been discussed here so I thought you Michiganders would like to know this. A lot of radio ads have been airing here in Oregon trying to lure business to Michigan. Heck, if I had a business in Portland I'd be trying to move it so why not?



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2006-07-18          132312


It probably is national ads, but that are playing big time on Myrtle Beach air waves also. Battery company, theater, solar single company, could be others. ....


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2006-07-18          132338


Two things: Back home SW of Detroit there are several unscrupulous car dealers. The joke amongst the locals is these dealers are the only ones who advertise heavily on radio and TV---because they have to---they rarely have repeat business. They hook you with a so-called good deal and you get screwed (I was one in my younger days).

Same thing is happening with the State of Michigan advertising (not that they're screwing people necessarily). No company in their right mind with the exception of those willing to take advantage of the largely automotive brain pool or tax reduction benefits, will move there. It's not the end of the World, but daaang, we sure can see it from there.

Just yesterday I heard on national news that Ford was laying off 25,000 by the end of the year. For every Michigan autoworker job lost, 5 ancilliary jobs are lost too. And GM is in the process of reorg with possibly Nissan and/or another company. Inevitably many more jobs will be lost soon over that.








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2006-07-19          132365


Lets see now!!! No jobs or should I say very little good ones left, I happen to have a good one, but many don’t…… The auto plants are laying off, so that makes the ripple effect for a whole lot of people, and lets not even talk about the TAXES in this state and on top of that how about the roads we drive on, that’s a real big joke, pot holes and orange barrels, Don’t get me wrong Michigan is a beautiful state if your heading north but down here near Detroit, I’m about 70 miles NW of Detroit and if you live on or near a lake you pay higher taxes, its not the price of the house it’s the taxes we have to pay.The bottom line to the whole advertising thing is they are blowing smoke up your but, it’s a little hard to make mortgage payments and car payment (not to mention Tractor payments) when the only jobs left to hire you is Wal-marts or a minimum wage job. And I won’t get started on the price of gas or diesel fuel around here. Lets see you drive 20 miles to go to work at minimum wage Wal- mart you make $5.50 an hour it costs you $3.10 per gallon of gas, so that leaves you about $2.20 to make your house and car payment. I don’t know about you but that’s really hard to live on these days. The bottom line is there is a lot of people out of work trying to make ends meet and there is no relief in the near or maybe distant future for some. So as the old saying goes “ last one out of Michigan turn the light off”.. ....


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2006-07-19          132367


Those of us still living in Michigan and working at manufacturing jobs are getting fewer all of the time. What I can't figure is, all the restaurants are full, the highways of full of people driving long distances with large vehicles and trucks pulling campers, etc. Malls are filled with shoppers.

Granted, homes and property are for sale everywhere, but fewer boats,PWC's, bikes and snowmobiles.

Taxes are high, since we are a wellfare State. More are getting on the wellfare lines and fewer are paying. Hugh homes are still being built, but fewer all along. Nobody builts a stick built house under 2000 sq. ft. anymore.

It is a way of life anywhere in the country. Employers are hiring the cheapest labor that they can. Good paying jobs are few and far between. Construction jobs and diaster repair jobs are paying well. There is a mass exodus out of all northern locations as the boomers are retiring and heading toward warmer climates.

I'm holding out and hoping that half the people leave (the right ones). It will then be nice and quiet. Unfortunately the bad guys are hanging around and we have more violence than every before in the inner cities.

Hope it turns around. I don't have any solutions. Our vehicle license plates still say "auto capital of the world". ....


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2006-07-19          132374


yooper: My sense of the situation and I agree 100% with you is likely two things: living beyond their means, and credit. I think they realize the jig will be up so why not live it up while you can---after all the'll just go bankrupt. I can't tell you how may people I know or have met that have done this and become entangled in a credit web they'll never get out of. ....


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2006-07-19          132377


botamac: Are you around Lansing or Howell? ....


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2006-07-19          132382


Thanks guys. Making me really look forward to the move to Michigan. It is a pretty state to live in if you have a good job and don't live in Detroit.

I remember when Wisconsin reformed the welfare system to put a time limit on it and you had to work. The lefties all screamed that babies were going to starve to death. None did. They just moved back to Chicago when their Wisconsin benefits ran out.

Anybody in Minnesota/Iowa/Wisconsin need a mechanical engineer with an MBA and Blackbelt certification that likes tractors, cars, motorcycles, trucks, large equipment and is fascinated by explosives, cheese, brats, silly putty, tools and can bake an amazing cheesecake? ....


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2006-07-19          132384


Iowa: "Anybody need...cheesecake"
Well, I dunno...you sound like a "catch"...so ahhhh, what are you wearing? tehehehe

By the way you weren't suppose to read these posts, but there's nothin' like a slap of reality from those who are either there, have been, or don't wanna come back. But I'm jis' sayin'. ....


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2006-07-19          132398


Earthwrks… I’m east of Howel

And Yooper said living beyond their means many of the idiots buy these $300 $400 and yes $500 thousand dollar homes with NO money down and 3% interest only loans, and the loan is only good for three or five years and then reality hits now they have to get a real loan and find out they can’t afford the house in the first place. I just heard today that the unemployment in Michigan is said to be around 6%, but in realty it’s about 24% or higher, the 6% they state on the radio or TV is the unemployment in the last 6 months. They don’t tell you about the people who are still on unemployment or off of it do to the fact their time is up and they can’t find a job.
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2006-07-19          132405


You're right. Most are only one late payment and a bullet from losing their homes. ....


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2006-07-21          132461


Got surprised by a person who lived here for a few years and moved back to Mich. when he told me he works with 1,000 cows (dairy) on 2,000 acres of land. When I ask him no bull and he said that is correct. ....


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2006-08-01          132875


Google is opening a large office in Michgian. ....


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2006-08-01          132878


So what does Google opening an office in Michigan have to do with the link you posted? ....


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2006-08-01          132880


The other day I'm working here in Miss. and I hear on the radio Michigan trying to get Mississippi businesses to leave the south and move north. What a crock of b.s. Michigan is in worse shape than I thought. First off we (they) have a Governness who is a Canadian-born woman who's also a Democrat---a recipe for disaster. Instead of giving existing businesses a tax break to jump start the economy, she has given those tax breaks to OTHER outsiders. Which at best is a temporary stop-gap measure. ....


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2006-08-02          132905


Earthwrks - I hear ya. So they need tax breaks to get businesses to move in to replace the ones that left because they didn't get tax breaks to stay. Yep, that's government for ya. Full of political logic. ....


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2006-08-02          132908


It sure would be good if only Michigan politicians did such. Was right proud of our county council a few months ago. We have a large local lumber company who ask for a tax break so they could afford some updating they needed to make. The council went on record as how many jobs this company provided, how they had never asked for such before, how they were such a stable employer and granted the request. Which I thought was very proper.

Just a few weeks later, the news was they had been bought by Murf, (just kidding there)no really were bought by a Canadian Com. but still felt the council did what was right.
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2006-08-02          132909


It seem businesses are playing one state off another to get the tax breaks. EW don't look too hard at the jobs purchased by the state in MS or AL. I can't remember how much each job was in Canton for Nissan, but it was not cheap.
I was working on a business plan with a friend that placed the components to manufacture steel building structures in shipping containers. We were thinking of being able to relocate the plant to where the construction was needed like in Southern MS with Katrina. Never thought of getting all the tax breaks from the state and then packing up the containers and moving on. ....


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2006-08-02          132910


Did you notice the ad for "Michigan Foreclosure List"? Maybe they need more tax breaks.

It is even more than just one state vs. another. It can vary a good bit from one county to the next or one part of a big city to another.

I knew a business that went bankrupt just north of me, moved two counties south (mind you in daily communte)to receive tax break and to be announed as this great NEW company to save that county by our then DUMB governor. THey were to dumb to realize it was same ownership, same business organization, same product, same management, but a new name. Oh well, who said politicans have common sense. Doubt many have a cut either. By the way. The new company went bankrupt also. Due to same dumb owner. ....


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2006-08-02          132912


Peters: Can you elaborate on your last post? I didn't quite follow you. ....


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2006-08-02          132914


EW Michigan is giving tax breaks for the business and driving them out with taxes. In AL and MS they gave them a pile of breaks for maybe 25 years.
Businesses moved from the north to the south about 30 years ago and now are folding up to move on cheaper wages like Puerto Rico, China and Mexico.
MS and AL are now courting the Japanese and Koreans with tax breaks to replace the jobs that are walking away.
We have states competing with each other for portable jobs and loosing funds. Would it be better cooperating with each other to create a climate for new business development. ....


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2006-08-03          132918


Peters I totally agree with you. In Mich. they screw the businessman that has been there from the beginning by taxing him over and over. Yet they woo others and bend over backwards to give them breaks. Companies aren't unthinking giants--they're owned by people who are only looking at their bottom line. Part of it is not being able to find good help. I know myself that I have paid people $20 an hour to help me clean up a Katrina lot---just picking up debris or raking by hand and throwing it a pile. They complain all day and don't show up the next. I have friends who help me paet time that are straight from Mexico. The longer they're here that more money they want and the less they want to do. I pay them $20-$50 an hour (the $50 comes into play when I budget enough money for their help and they bust butt to gt it done in half to one third the time so they deserve it---however that has backfired on me many times because they get used to it and don't wat to help next time). It's sort of the same thing down here. I hear "yeah I wanna work". Truth is they really don't want to unless they need beer or smokes money. I have had locals tell me who had "jobs" that they work a few days and then disappear for as much as two weeks drinking.

What was that you were talking about Katrina metal buildings and shipping containers? ....


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2006-08-03          132923


EW There are large building with metal frames and small building with metal studds. We have a system that has a space frame which is built out of welded subcomponents. Rather than building the factory in one location and shipping all the steel twice, we were considering making the factory mobile in shipping containers.
I was just making an illusion to the future economy with the factories mobile to look for new areas for tax breaks and cheap labor.
As long as these multinationals can appear ethical they will remain creating sweat shops in the third world. If they could cut the supply line and have the slave labor here they would.
I have had the same problem with day laborers here. I had about 6 young men promise me they would be here tomorrow and never show up. I finally found someone that was reliable.
It seems young people are only interested in good pay and no work. Computer fantacy is there reality. ....


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