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2006-07-08          131899


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2006-07-08          131900


Hay is an edible dried grass. Sources range from alfalfa to timothy to native grasses.

Straw is the leftover stems from various grains, usually oats. It has no nutritional value and is used for bedding in barns and pens. ....


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2006-07-09          131902


Hay is forage - typically grasses and legumes - that is cut/dried/baled for livestock consumption when regular forage is not available.

Straw is a byproduct of grain production, the stems left behind after the dried seedheads are harvested. It's typically used for livestock bedding and for horticultural use like erosion prevention and moisture retention on freshly worked soil. Some straws are multi-purpose; barley straw for example constitutes edible bedding.

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2006-07-09          131906


Barley straw is also used for limiting algae or bacteria levels in ponds and can command a price of $90-100 a bale in the north (Michigan) where we don't grow it. Oat or wheat straw has been used for eons especially in the southwest as a building material either mixed in with adobe or in bale form then covered with adobe. This Old House had an episode on this back in the late 1980's early '90's. ....


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2006-07-09          131908


Last summer I bought hay anywhere from 50 cents a bale to $1.75 per bale.

Around here hay is usually cheaper than straw. ....


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2006-07-09          131926


Wow!

Here we pay no less than $5 per bale for a decent quality mold free grass bale. Alfalfa is usually a little cheaper (good hay, no mold) but sometimes things get tight, and they will go for the same price.

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2006-07-10          131928


Don't use HAY in a Garden, for you will have WEEDS for years to come.
STRAW is good for gardens because the seeds are gone and it will create a cover that prevents weeds from growing.
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2006-07-10          131929


There is also straw from such as Pine Trees. ....


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2006-07-10          131932


How do you get straw frome pine trees? ....


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2006-07-10          131934


You need a *REALLY* big combine ......... ROFLMAO !!!

Sorry, old landscaping joke.

It's not really straw, it's the dead needles that the tree sheds constantly as new ones grow to replace them. Some types of pine the needles stay soft and pliable. They are gathered and sold as mulch.

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2006-07-10          131938


If you all decide to use Pine Needles as Mulch or as a cover, be certain that your soil can handle it. I have many Pine trees on my land and the soil is SOUR from the acidity from the Pine needles. My garage has an Asphalt Shingle Roof and the Pine Needles that land on it have caused detoriation of the shingles. If your soil has a low acid content, you will be fine, otherwise growing anything except Raspberries could be a problem.
If it isn't Ph it is Acid and if ain't that it is Dry or it is wet and speaking of Wet, Here in the Northeast the Farmers are in Hell. Usually the Corn is Knee High by the fourth of July and currently many farmers are Knee Deep and are planting 75 day corn. Many don't even have their First Hay Crop in and the Loggers haven't been in the Woods since Late March. We are really wet up here, way too much rain and for those who planted Early it is rotting in the ground. Bad year. Farmers need Silage and the Fast Growing Hay is just Belly Filler, very little Protein.
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2006-07-10          131943


When the drought hit the North East a couple of summers back we were paying $7.50 to $8 for a 60lb bale of good hay; close to $10 for alfalfa. Never heard of $.50 a bale for any kind of hay around here. ....


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2006-07-10          131947


Murf,

You are correct, those are really BIG combines they use. However they do produce little bales that command a high price.


WW,

I think you explained your acid ground when you said you have many pine trees. Lime works well. As to your shingles, is there a leaf the do like?

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2006-07-10          131948


KT

Actually we tried Lime, 5-10-5, 10-10-10 and every mixture and concoction that Agway and Blue Seal carried. What worked really well for me and allowed for Grass to grow within a year where grass refused to grow before, was NIGHT CRAWLERS, I threw maybe 5,000 or more NITE CRAWLERS in the cleared areas ( 1.5 acres) and in the garden and by the next year I had grass growing where I had tried to get it to grow for at least 10 years prior. I have Robins now and never had them before. ....


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2006-07-10          131949


I bought hay 3 different places last summer.
One place 1.75 another .75 and the last place was.50.

I've got an appointment at 5:30 this evening to go pick up a couple of pick up loads at $1.00 a bale. ....


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2006-07-10          131957


I wonder if people are confusing bale size when discussing prices. Small square bales are around $1.50 - $2 and the big round bales go for much more. Just raising the point to make sure everyone is talking apples. ....


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2006-07-10          131959


Iowafun,

I believe we are seeing not bale size varying but rather the local supply and demand and the variance of product and quality. There is a big variance in my area for same size square bale between what is called horse quality and cow quality and the product. Also it being picked up in field or the farmers barn or if he loads you or delivers it and when you buy it.
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2006-07-10          131965


I think Kenneth hit the nail on the head.

I can get hay here for $1 a bale too, but my neighbours donkey would turn their nose up at it.

My horses would just stand and stare at it.

But it is cheap, as long as you don't mind the mould.


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2006-07-10          131976


That $90-$100 per cost for barley straw was largely due to to many hands in the "cookie jar" including the transporters. But compared to what specialty pond supply co's get for fractionally smaller quantities it's a bargain. Any body know other uses for barley straw other than for ponds? ....


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2006-07-10          131981


Besides stuffing the odd strawman......when I lived in Scotland, the cattlemen there used barley straw as both feed and bedding. The barley itself went into the front door of the whisky distilleries, the barley mash was returned to the farmers out the back door. It's then taken to a dehydrator press and bagged as pellets. Local name for them are "sheep nuts", larger diameter are "cattle nuts".

Versatile stuff, that barley.

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2006-07-11          131994


I'm talking $7.50 per 50lb square bale. By the time it gets to NJ from the fruited plains, so much gas is burned that it costs that much and besides, the snooty horse owners in NJ can afford that and more.

Normally it's not that much. $4-$5 for horse quality hay for 50lb square bale. ....


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2006-07-11          132024


Anyone have an idea on what the going rate for the large (1000 lb?) round bails of "horse hay" will go for this year??

The guy who cuts my property is bailing it now (only one cut per year) and he will pay me per bail. At this point I don't know if the stuff is worth $10 or $100 per bail. Can anyone help me so I don't get ripped? ....


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2006-07-12          132036


There are so many factors that can determine the fair price for hay, (good hay/poor hay, big crop/short crop, transport costs, etc.) that make it almost impossible to have a price list that would fit more than a local aeria. There is likely a livestock sales barn, or a feed store somewhere nearby, likely someone there would know local hay prices. You also might call your county extension office. Frank. ....


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2006-07-12          132037


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You don't need to look at it as if your are going toget Ripped.
He is cutting the Hay as a service to you and you are allowinghim to do it as a service to him. Have him make you an offer that he feels he should pay you per bale.
At least that way your field gets cut each year and you have a cut field, a clean field and some jing in your pockets. Don't look to get rich off of a hay Cut. Keep the relation with farmer a good one, he may sell you beef cheap or milk ir be around to return the courtsey many times over. People ar elike that, treat them right and the will treat you right. ....


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2006-07-12          132043


AV8

The common practice here would be for the two of you to split what the hay sold for.

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2006-07-12          132044


By no means am I looking to make an income from the cutting of hay. For the cutting and removal I would probaly give him the hay, but I do want to be educated a bit on how much or where to find how much the rate is so that I am not being taken advantage of either, that's all.

(I'm just hoping to offset some of the property tax with this money.) ....


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2006-07-12          132046


I used to give the hay free for the cutting just to keep about 3 quarters of an acre from growing up in weeds trees and brush.
I think it yielded 11 square bales.
At 2 bucks a bale that's 22 dollars you can't even get somebody to mow your yard for that.
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