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steve4300
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2005-01-14          104241


how do i go about hooking up implements to the hydrolics on my 2001 jd 4300 i dont want to discoect my loader to do so



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2005-01-14          104243


Most tractors have the option of having additional valves added for remotes to the rear of the tractor to end your problem. ....


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2005-01-14          104247


Just this week, I added the power beyond kit and the 3rd valve kit to my 4300. You probably don't know it(I didn't), but the 3rd valve is already on you tractor right next to the 2 for your loader. It is just that JD didn't give you the controls, hoses and outlets. It is a little pain in the rear but I got it done in 2 half days, taking my time and being careful. I didn't want any leaks after I put is all back together, and you do have to dismantle quite a bit. The kit was missing the O-rings and that caused me to wait for my trip to JD. They should not be reused. If you decide to add it and need any pointers, I'd be glad to help. ....


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2005-01-14          104248


do you remember the cost i just don't want to go into shock when i get to the dealer ....


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denwood
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2005-01-15          104267


Yes I keep good records of all of these things. Power Beyond kit--list price $258.00, I paid $189.00. 3rd SCV kit--list price $204.00, I paid $161.00. Rear work light kit--I paid 32.00. The dealership's sales manager I am working with told me anything for the now older 4x00 series he will discount if he has it in stock. He said sales of these items drops off the charts when a new series comes out and he would like them out of inventory since the longer they sit, the harder to sell. If you saw the post I placed about my dealer being a turd, I found a new one and he is just the opposite. ....


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steve4300
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2005-01-15          104272


WoW I wasnt ready for that, but i guess they have to make money to. Now if I want to hook up the john deere back hoe I would think I would have to anouther hook up to the rear of the tractor , is there a port on the third valve for this. A friend of mine had a back hoe from jd and I don't remeber him having the third valve lever. ....


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denwood
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2005-01-15          104273


The power beyond kit is the hydraulic circuit for backhoes, log splitters, etc that have their own control levers. The 3rd valve kit is just another pair of outlets like on the loader, with a control lever that goes on the right fender just in front of the cup holder. The 2 kits are independant of each other and you can add one or the other or both, it is just a shame to take the tractor apart to only add one kit if you think you may want both. ....


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2005-01-17          104396


My dealer gave me a price of $ 208.00 and 280.00 . I guess i need to call my other dealer and get his price. ....


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2005-01-17          104398


Well, now that you know it can be done, it gives you more incentive to try to get a better price. I would go right to the sales manager and tell him the situation. If they don't have some in stock, it may be a lot harder to nego. the price. Probably the larger the dealer, the better. ....


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2005-01-17          104402


ya i will have to call around there is 4 dealers within 50 miles. the two i ussally deal with are only about 20 miles away. Now looking at my tractor it looks like i need to remove the fender. what else has to be removed, just trying to be well informed before i try this. Also do the kit come with any instuctions. thanks for your help. ....


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2005-01-18          104430


They come with very good instructions (with pictures) in my view. You must remove seat, 2 black plastic control panels on each side of seat, metal kick plate on floor under seat, fender, entire control valve block, and it is recommended the wheel, which I did not because of liquid fill. Leaving the wheel on is a bit of a pain, caused some foul language and hostility, but worked. Most fittings are metric. You will need sockets to 18mm? and wrenches up to 32 mm I believe. There are some english fittings on the hyd. couplers. If your hands are larger than "large" or you are a large guy, you may need to remove the wheel just to fit arms and fingers in. Having a set of those god awful chinese wrenches is a help. (I do not) Just the things that make them cheap helps, being thinner and shorter than quality. They don't need to be strong because all torques are very low. Be ready to buy some new o-rings, it is reccomended not to reuse, and the kit does not include enough. Cost a couple extra dollars. They are only available from JD since they are a part number only and even the parts manager can't tell you if they are english or metric or their size. ....


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2005-01-18          104478


I do not have personal experience with the 4300, but I have put the remote hydro circuit on 3 JD955s. The only part I had to get from Deere was a $2 hex plug. The two hydraulic 90-degree fittings, 2 hoses, and the quick disconnects cost about another $70 or so. JD wanted $120 for the kit, but they were out of production and not available. And the tractor was only 6 y old!

Anyway the most important thing to get was the instructions, because how to install was not in any manual.

The JD955 uses the Yanmar 3TN84 engine, which is the same as the 4300, I am told. I do not know how similar the HST and SCV blocks are.... ....


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2005-01-18          104481


I believe you are refering to power beyond which is just a loop of hydraulic flow that you can route to another attachment, like splitter or hoe. On the 4300, flow exits a port on the valve block and goes around the back of the seat area and into the rockshaft valve. With the kit, you remove one steel line and replace it with 2 lines that end on a manifold at the back. Here they are attached to 2 hoses with disconnects. There is a 3rd line to install where flow returns when using the backhoe. This 3rd line just dumps back into tractor rear. This bypasses the rockshaft control valve, preventing its use when the backhoe is on and lifting the 3 point could damage it due to its fixed position while backhoe is on. If you were routing the flow to a set of valves to operate a top and tilt, you would still want to be able to use the 3 point hitch, so you would route return flow the usual way. It would certainly be possible to make your own kit, but only reasonable if no real ones were available due to finding all the right metric and english fittings, fabricated brackets, and manifold for a very neat clean appearance. ....


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2005-01-19          104500


There IS a downside to the factory kit, other than price. The 955 factoy kit includes two short metal pipes and a bracket to mount the quick-disconnects behind the seat. Unfortunately, this location can interfere with backhoe seat mounting. I prefer using 2 hoses instead of the steel pipes for a much easier to access hydraulic connection to either the backhoe or the after market valve I installed on the right fender.

Installation of this "power beyond" loop is a big job, but it is much easier if you put your rear wheel track at the widest setting, which allows you to remove the right rear fender without removing the wheel.

Also the backhoes I have installed use only IN and OUT hoses where the OUT hose is a power beyond connection that goes back the the IN connection of the 3-pt. There is no low pressure return line on the hoe. Seems most hoes are this way. Of course, there is no use for the 3-pt when the hoe is attached (subframe) anyway. ....


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steve4300
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2005-01-19          104521


thanks guys , talking with my dealer it looks like they will put them in for me when i buy the back hoe, they said it is included in the price. I plan on asking them the price with and without the hydrolic already incuded. ....


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2005-01-19          104524


On the 4300, power beyond is a very small job. only remove seat and maybe 2 small plastic covers on each side of seat. Maybe 1-1.5 hours for someone who has never done it before. It is the 3rd remote that creates a pain. ....


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2005-01-19          104526


I found the additional after-market valve installation to be much easier than accessing the power beyond circuit. Of course, some factory remote valves are much more involved. My after market valve is just bolted to the top of the fender. ....


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2005-01-19          104527


If I had just wanted 1,2,or 3 remotes, I would have skipped the 3rd remote altogether and gone with the rops mounted 1-3 spool valve. It would have been easier. Unfortunatly, I wanted the factory 3rd to go forward and operate a grapple or 4 in 1, and I wanted the control as close as possible to the loader control. The back 3 will be for top and tilt, and angle for scraper blade, or scarifiers on box blade. ....


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