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2003-01-02          46830

I am still waiting for my ideal truck, a toyota diesel.
Does anyone know why they are not sold in the US?


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2003-01-03          46870

Good question. They gotta make one. Do they sell deisel pick-ups in other markets? ....

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2003-01-03          46876

I thought about this question last night and I am not exactly sure what the answer is, here is my read.
Toyota does make diesels and sells a lot in other countries. They sold the diesel Landcruiser in Canada for a bit but with drew them off the market again.
I think the main reason they don't, is that the engines they have are a little under powered for the NA tastes.
If you recall when they introduced the Tundra they had to design and build a new V8 engine for the truck. The T100 with the V6 never sold well. The cost of tooling for new a diesel is large and would only be a portion of the truck sales. You need the the larger 2-3 ton market to support the design and build costs.
In prospective only one of the NA big 3 has its own engine in their pickup and they used Deere and Izuzu help to engineer it.
Maybe we could talk Toyota into a CAT powered option. I think that would be a good combo. ....

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2003-01-03          46879

Toyota used to make a small pickup with a diesel engine (early 80's). Freind of mine had one and it went forever and ever. Long after the cab and body rusted away. He patched and patched and replaced parts with treated wood just because the diesel kept on running. It was not an overpowering power plant, however. ....

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2003-01-03          46883

I bet it got great mileage.
I rented a little minnie/minnie Winnebago once, the one they built around a Renault diesel chassis.
Zero to sixty times were best measured with an hourglass, but that little sucker got about 28 mpg if memory serves. Not bad for hauling around kitchen sinks and flush toilets. My wife nicknamed it "the wonder puppy". ....

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2003-01-03          46891

I saw a VW 4x4 camper once from Australia. I guess he was going around the world literally.
It had a diesel, 4x4 and a snorkel for those deep water crossings.
I am not sure how deep I would go. I am sure my wife would shoot me if the pots were floating in the cupboards.
I saw some class C units, the other day, locally that had a VW van front end. Maybe? ....

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2003-01-03          46914

Chrysler makes a Caravan(European) with a 2.5 ltre diesel
Why not here?? ....

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2003-01-04          46951

I'd really like to see Toyota make a 3/4 ton with a Yanmar Diesel in it. Yanmar makes big Diesels for marine use, The local Hinckley Boat Comp. puts 320hp and larger Yanmars in there Famous Party Boat. Why not Vehicles?

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2003-01-04          46953

Power to weight and EPA are not as important in a marine engines in none planing hulls. I suspect they are too heavy for the app.
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2003-01-04          46956

My brother bought a new Datsun diesel pickup back in the early 80's. Like Kay said about the Toyota, it ran and ran then ran some more. It was still running good long after the body self distruct. He bought it to drive back and forth to work. If I'm not mistaken, it only had about 60 HP. So about all it was good for was going down the road.

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2003-01-05          46994

If Yanmar can make a nice small 48hp engine that powers my JD 4700 then I'm sure they have the technology to make the appropriate diesel for an automobile.

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2003-01-05          46998

I was not thinking of capabilities but off the shelf. There is no question that they could as any of the diesel manufactures could. The question is will they and will it have the power to weight necessary for the NA market. People in other regions of the world are not worried about getting on and off of express ways. ....

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2003-01-05          46999

Us tractor guys have soft spots in our hearts for diesels, but the average city dweller does not. I think if the market was there, they would sell them. Isuzu made a nice little diesel pickup in the eighties. Not many people bought them.

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2003-01-05          47006

Our company has a nearly new Nissan P/U with a diesel. The security men use it day and night. ....

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2003-01-09          47243

Is the nissian avaiable in the US? What year is it ....

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2003-01-09          47245

TV news are showing stuff at a big car show. Nissan is showing a full size P/U to compete with F/C/D. It's not the 7/8 size that the Tundra is. They said it was going on sale later this year; didn't hear if there was anything said about the engine options. Any news out there?
My Toyota dealer said a a crew cab Tundra is on it's way, plus a larger powerplant, but i haven't seen any hard news on it either.
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2003-01-10          47253

Just got back from England. The tractor trailers there are all deisel and about the same size as American ones, but are mostly made in Europe. The few Japanese ones I saw were all Isuzu or Mitsubishi. I never saw a Toyota. The Isuzu tractor trailers were smaller than American or European rigs, but the engines were plenty big enough to stick in a pickup truck. I don't think Toyota makes big deisel engines. I might be wrong.

By the way, I never saw a Mack or Peterbuilt or any other American semi over there. The most common brand of tractor trailer by far was Scania, followed by Volvo and DAF and Man and Iveco, there were a few Mercedes too but not as many as I expected, and many other brands. But no American ones. In England they aren't called tractor trailers, they are called "articulated lorries."

Half of the big trucks over there were Scania. Scania is made by Saab. ....

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2003-01-10          47264

I know that GM owns Saab cars, not sure on the trucks.

I know that Ford owns Volvo cars, not sure on the trucks either.

So may be just different varieties in England.


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2003-01-10          47268

Jim, when you said 7/8's size you said Tundra, but you must have meant Tacoma.

Tundra meets the traditional yardsticks for an american pick up truck: 8 ft. bed and three across seating.

According to the scales at the dump it weighs 5000# with me and a full tank of gas. The F150 ahead of me last week checked out at 5400# but that was an extracab with a shell and two guys aboard.

If there is something lacking in the the engine department (or maybe compartment) I can't find it. I busted up an old foundation two months ago and hauled the rubble to the dump. The truck/trailer/load checked in at 12,000# and I did sixty climbing the hill to get there with gas pedal left over. And the whole scenario occurred at a mile above sea level. ....

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2003-01-10          47269

The Tundra is a nice truck, but I wish Toyota made a real 1-ton with GCWR of around 20K lbs like C/F/D. I have a Ford dually diesel and fairly often run at that weight or a little more. The Tundra seems more equivalent to a 1/2ton. ....

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2003-01-10          47271

The max trailer weight rating is 7200# The payload is rated at 1900#
Not sure where that fits into the standards for 1/2 ton or 3/4 to trucks. ....

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2003-01-10          47273

Mark, does it show a gross combined weight rating? For trailer pulling, that is often the most important number.

Sounds like the Tundra would be considered to be a heavy duty half ton. ....

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2003-01-10          47274

Gross combined 11,800#, guess I was pushing the limits with that load of concrete. ....

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2003-01-10          47279

Pushing the limit....I hauled a Komatsu D31 (16K lbs) on my triple axle gooseneck and was right at 29,000 lbs GC. Seemed to do fine on the flats, and wasn't overloaded on any axle, but even with all the axles braking I wouldn't have wanted to make a panic stop. I think mine is rated at 19,500 GCWR and that is about right. If I keep it under 20k it runs cool and strong and stops well. Much over that and everything is maxed out. Not a smart thing to do... ....

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2003-01-11          47349

I'd say the Nissan diesel is a couple of years old. ....

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2003-01-11          47375

mark h:
my 7/8 comment was for the tundra. I saw it referred to that way in one of the car mags. I know it's an exaggeration but the tundra interior does feel smaller than C/F/D's. specs show it is shorter (218 vs chevy 228"), narrower, and less tall.
tundra's capacity numbers are there with C/F/D, but I like to stay away from "undersized" machinery even though it carries impressive stats. i drive an Intrepid for work with 2.7L V-6 "rated" at 200hp. those 200 ponies must not have gotten their oats, cause it's a dog.
And I have 4 toyota's in the family now,so i'm not picking a anti-toyota argument.
I just prefer working with a bigger tool. That's why i mentioned hearing of larger versions in the future.
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2003-01-20          47824

Chicago Tribune, 1/16/03
Detroit Auto Show Notebook
"Toyota will introduce the Tundra Double Cab at the Chicago Auto Show in Feb, a version of its full-size pickup with four conventional doors. The Tundra lineup consists of regular cab and Access Cab models, the latter an extended cab with rear-opening back doors.
"Though the Tundra competes with full-size pickups, it lacks the size and brawn of big trucks from F, GM, and D, as well as the 2004 Nissan Titan. When the Titan was unveiled in Detroit, Nissan referred to Tundra as "seven-eighths of a full-sized p/u", but Toyota says size doesn't matter that much.
"In that market of about 2 million [full size] trucks, there are a lot of different buyer motivations," said Jim Press, chief operating officer of Toyota Motor Sales. "Tundra is a good personal-size truck. We're not necessarily going after the segment that wants to pull tractors."
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2003-01-20          47825

Ok. I'll buy 19/20's but not 7/8's. ....

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2003-02-04          48693

Back to the original question. Toyota is only now beginning to get its act together in regards to automotive diesels in Europe. They didn't offer diesels in cars in Europe until the last year or so. (Diesel engines power close to 40% of new cars!)
I think that Toyota will hold out a little longer here in the states, especially since the Turdra saw its sales numbers drop for the 2002 model year.
I like your original question. I wish more Americans would go to their dealers and ask for diesels. I am a loyal diesel buyer. (I purchased four over the last eight years.) Americans need to realize the benefits of the MODERN diesel engine. When I would speak of the consistent 50+ mpg from my VW Golf TDI...eyebrows would raise. If Americans would actually test-drive new diesels, VWs especially, they would realize that their old excuses for not driving a diesel have been eliminated. There are virtually no downsides to owning a modern diesel. I'll gladly stand by that last statement and argue it until I'm blue in the keyboard! ....

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2003-02-04          48697

Jack;
I keep looking for a Passat diesel wagon AWD. No luck yet in the States. ....

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2003-02-04          48699

Turd(ra)?? Was that a freudian slip?

Anyway back to more serious matters.

Ever since the "7/8's" issue was raised I have been parking my Turdra... whoops I mean Tundra.... next to other American pick-ups when ever possible and eyeballing along the front and rear bumpers. (Yes I meant to say other American pick-ups, my truck was made right here.......)

Anyway, if there is any significant difference in overall length or width I can't see it: Maybe an inch here or there, if that much.

Who ever did those measurements and the 7/8's calculation must have been using an American tape measure on one and a chinese tape measure on the other. ....

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2003-02-05          48730

My understanding is that the '04 Passats will have a 2.0 TDI putting out 134 hp. My brother now has a chiped '96 Passat TDI. His vanity license plate reads: FAST MPG.
I guess that we can only hope for an AWD option. I vowed that my next vehicle would be diesel and 4WD...thus the '98 Ram w/Cummins. ....

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2003-02-05          48745

Jack;
My 00 ram only has the limited slip. I like a little south for much snow. I was thinking of a Benz diesel wagon, my family in a little large for the Jetta.
My concept is to get a diesel tank on the farm and buy bulk. If I get a diesel car then the only gas I would need would be for the chain saw and trim mower.
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2003-02-06          48751

Huummmm! I wonder if bulk diesel deliveries come in dyed and clear flavours? Could be that 4wd would have been good for evading DOT revenuers. No suggestion of advocation or intend here on anybody's part of course.

I know, I'm off topic. I just have this image of trying to hide a truck in Peters's pawpaw grove and hoping the copperheads scare off the tank police.
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2003-02-06          48804

They will deliver what is requested. The road tax is already paid. Off road would be good for the tractors but the amount I use it would be better to use on road for the tractors than let the fuel sit for years while I try and use it up. The only think that you save is the cost of the station adds.
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2003-02-11          49090

One of my co-workers used to haul fuel. They often just add the off-road dye when delivering the fuel. It can be the same product, just with a little rouge.
Here in eastern PA, landscapers were being investigated very closely about three years ago for off-raod fuel violations. The DOT boys were show up out of the blue one morning, demanding the landscaper's fuel records. Tax is 55-cents a gallon in PA. The DOT doesn't like cheats. Rumor has it that fines started at $10,000.
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2003-02-21          49688

I am sure if they build one it would be a good one BUTT, I sure couldn't bring myself to ever buy a minute rice truck..good grief, All the new Tractors have rice grinders under the hood, and now trucks, yikes. I know, I know, that Duramax of mine is really a Isuzu, snort, spit, But at least it was made is the US, well, partly... Hey I really don't care what the hood emblem says or what giant corporation owns it, as long as its made with US steel,with a US Diesel, made in the US assembled in the US... Ok Ok I conceed, I am just waaaay too old, some one please put me out of my misery...LOL ....

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2003-02-21          49723

Doc;
I am not sure there is a lot of steel or iron in the Duramax. Al block, Al heads, Al pistons?
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2003-02-21          49733

The stamped body panels are probably all japaneese steel, as far as the aluminum, I always wondered where all those empty bud cans go I shove into the machine at the grocery store, heck I probably paid xtra for that ! ....

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Not to change the subject, BUT. I have an 81 Toyota diesel pickup. I started surfing for forums So that I can address some problems I have been experiencing for, oh, I'd say 8 or 10 years. Does anyone know a good q and a forum for me? ....

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2003-03-15          51234

Very good question gottoski!!! The very same thing that I am searcing for. I just acquired an '83 Diesel. If you get an answer to your question PLEASE post the location of the forum!!! Also, what is your fuel mileage? "My" truck currently belongs to my exin-laws but will belong to me in time. I have begun restoration (of sorts) and really enjoy driving it. I sure have a lot to learn about it though. Did Toyota actually manufacture the diesel engine? Lots of questions I have. Thanks. ....

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2003-04-09          52813

Toyota diesels ? -

Have you guys ever heard of the truck company "UD"? This is an industrial / commercial truck division of Toyota Trucks. In the NPR market, many users rely on the UD's for longevity, 300,000 -400,000 miles on the toyota diesel engines, easily. Other benefits are most mechanical systems on these units are double built,ie: two sets of brake pistons on each wheel, double brake shoes, double everything as anything can go wrong at anytime, these trucks especially the newer ones have system warning/failure indicators that identify when a system has experienced a fault...however will be carried over to the other set of mechanicals already built in. Anyway, UD is the Toyota diesel, they cost abit more at first, but what some of my customers say is that they really really keep on going

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2003-04-11          52989

I think that UD is a Nissan product rather than Toyota. Hino trucks have some relationship to Toyota but I don't know if they are wholly owned by them or not. ....

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2003-04-13          53090

UD...Hino...?

Close...they both sound the same. Not in the truck biz, maybe my feeble mind got them mixed up.

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2003-04-29          54024

My son just sold his 1982 BJ 42 Diesel Toyota Landcruiser.
To find forums just type in Toyota Landcruiser and look for cruiser clubs in your area for any info you need about Diesel pickups. ( search engine like Google ) ....

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2003-08-04          60887

I never noticed this thread before. Getting back to the original question. When I was stationed in Honduras, I saw Toyota diesel pickups all over the place. Just about everything was diesel. I think it was preferred there for its reliablity, durability, and cost of fuel. I think a big reason you don't see these compact pickup diesels is EPA requirements and the intial cost. Alot of people have a hard time getting past the 2K - 4K price addition to the total cost. When the crappy Ford Taurus finally gives up the ghost (knock on wood, not for a few years more yet) I am eye balling a VW TDI for the wife. ....

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2003-08-11          61483

"Why is there no toyota diesel"

Diesel trucks are sold for different reasons than diesel cars. The truck shopper is usually looking increased capabilities. Diesel car owners usually want one thing, mileage.

The average American diesel pick-up truck shopper isn't going to look at a Toyota or any foreign truck for several reasons. Not knocking the Toyotas but if you think about it, the diesel shopper has specific things he is looking for.

1. towing capacity
2. payload
3. big vehicle

These things are what the U.S. trucks are known for. Toyota would have to redesign the entire truck not just drop in a diesel.

Also a large % of the diesels are full size crew cabs with 8 foot beds and duallies things Toyota doesn't offer.

Toyotas are great vehicles but I think there best attributes don't fit well with the current diesel truck shopper. The Toyotas seem to offer a great combibation of carlike ride, longevity, good price for the guy who needs a truck sometimes and a car other times. The U.S. diesels are trucks meant to be used by people who need a heavy duty truck most of the time.

Alright I'll tell the truth...we're all rednecks and won't buy Japanese :) ....

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2004-08-12          93340

I have an 1989 4x4 4runner that I put a toyota turbo diesel into also has an automatic tranny, As with many others I could not find my ideal vehicle so I am buiklding it. ....

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2004-08-12          93341

I had a Toyota Landcruiser diesel pick-up for years. 3.6L engine if I recall. The payload was 1 metric ton or one tonne - 2204 lb. Great truck, tough as nails pity about the right hand drive though (no good for the US). ....

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