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 | rrc123
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6 Texas 
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2004-02-25 77931
I just bought a Nortrak 254 tractor. It sure beats my Kubota L210. It has the FEL on it also. I want to add a top link and side adjustment. Which spool valve do I need and where to I hook into the hydraulics at. Is the system sufficient to handle two more cyliders. They are not actually used very much and not at the same time as the FEL.
Please no long posts as I just joined and have not decided to pay yet for the long messages.
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| Ironpeddler
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 111 Science Hill,KY USA
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2004-02-25 77936
Check out the Integration Engineering System $1250
or CCM Hydraulic top link with check valve $170 ....
Link: Terrain Contour Control
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| rrc123
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6 Texas
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2004-02-26 77960
I was looking at that. I just emailed them for prices and shipping info. I was looking more to purchase the pieces myself and install on tractor. More satifaction and more learning. I just need education on valves and where to obtain pressure and return on my tractor.
Ron ....
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| peppers
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 10
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2004-02-26 78019
Ironpeller, whats the reason the ports are connected, and what is that device in between the ports? ....
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| Ironpeddler
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 111 Science Hill,KY USA
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2004-02-26 78028
The valve body in the middle of the cylinder is a double pilot operated check valve. This insures exact placement positioning of the cylinder. This means that any bleed by from the valve less than 500 psi will be contained and the position will be held. Without the valve you will constantly be readjusting the cylinders position because every valve has a certain amount of bleed by and drift. ....
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| peppers
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 10
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2004-02-26 78029
Ironpeddler, thanks for the reply and sorry about misspelling your name ....
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| DK35vince
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 689 Western,Pa. 
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2004-02-26 78031
Its good to see owners finally have somewhere to go to make adding top/tilt easier.
Once I had it I wouldn't be without it ! ....
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| peppers
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 10
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2004-02-26 78048
How would I determine the bore, retracted lenght, and stroke for a top link and a side link? With my box scrapper on the ground the pin to pin lenght is apporx. 18 inches for both the top and side links. the tractor is a 45 hp TYM. Any help would be greatly appreciated ....
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| Ironpeddler
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 111 Science Hill,KY USA
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2004-02-27 78055
The easiest way to know what top link and side link you need it to measure what you currently have. Match the retracted length of the 3 point members and match the retracted length of the hydraulic cylinder. ....
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 | agentorange
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 117 Pacific Northwest
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2004-02-27 78057
rrc123 - $20 is a small price to pay for the information that is available from a site like this. It's also good karma. For your free $100 bill w/ no strings attached call Jim at [register for the rest of this and other fine posts at Tractorpoint.com] ....
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 | DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada 
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2004-02-27 78078
I think your karma just ran over his dogma. ....
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 | kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon
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2004-02-27 78082
Mark, did you ever get your Top-and-Tilt problems sorted out? ....
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| Ironpeddler
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 111 Science Hill,KY USA
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2004-02-27 78083
The only problem with out Top & Tilts is we have trouble keep up with the demand. WE give 100% satisfaction GUARANTEE. ....
Link: Terrain Contour Control System
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| rrc123
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6 Texas
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2004-02-27 78084
I went ahead and upgraded so I can see all of the posts.
How do I know which vavle to buy. I want a 3 valve assemply with a flow beyond to complete the loop. But do I want open center or closed center? I an assuming I want return to center on the vavles. I need the cylinders with the check vavles on them, and the hoses. I can make my own mount for the controls.
So many questions and not enough answeres, but I will keep asking
Ron ....
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| Ironpeddler
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 111 Science Hill,KY USA
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2004-02-27 78085
First do you want joystick or two handle controls for the top and tilt? ....
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| DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada
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2004-02-27 78088
Hi Ken, Thanks for asking.
10 days ago the dealer and Gearmore agreed to replace/repair the problem parts and the dealer agreed to modify the top link attachment points to prevent it happening again.
That leaves two other problems. One is that 7,200 foot pass between here and there and the other is this WEATHER.
I-80 has been posted as requiring mandatory chains all week. I am hoping the plows in California can catch up today so I can sneak over there this afternoon before the next series of storms comes in..... ....
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| rrc123
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6 Texas
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2004-02-27 78090
Three handles. I maY want to add something else later on
Ron ....
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 | Murf
Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7249 Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
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2004-02-27 78092
Hey, I think we have a new Board record here. Two sales pitches/spams in the same thread.
As for the pilot valve preventing leak-down I don't buy that. In my experience the seals in the cylinder will leak LONG before the seals in the valve will. On my own machine I use a standard 3" cylinder as a toplink and it holds my 1,000 pound boxblade up just fine, I have had it in the air for many hours at a time without any noticeable movement in the cylinder.
Best of luck. ....
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| rrc123
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6 Texas
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2004-02-27 78093
Also, what is a float positin? Is this a functin of the vavle? Is it something I want or need on the toplink.
Someone really should do a how-to article and post it.
Ron ....
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 | beagle
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1333 Michigan 
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2004-02-27 78109
I'll jump in. Float position is a fourth position on the spool valve, usually with detent. Allows fluid to "float" back and forth between cylinder ports, or no hydraulic pressure in the cylinder. Used mostly in grading operations, sometimes usefull for top link. See previous comments on valves and cylinders leak bys. Open center or closed center depends on the hydraulic system on your tractor. Sounds like you are using a power beyond circuit, you will need an open center valve assembly, with a power beyond port at the outlet end of the valve assembly. If you plan to add spools, you will want to get a stackable valve assembly. This would allow you to add spools or change the type of spools you have if you decide you want something different later. ....
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| Ironpeddler
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 111 Science Hill,KY USA
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2004-02-28 78144
Murf,
You have been experienced with the cheap tie-rod cylinders and not a top notch welded cylinder with the new style rings. ....
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| Murf
Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7249 Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
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2004-03-01 78330
Actually if you READ my post I said I use a standard cylinder, NOT a tie-rod cylinder and I have no leak-down with it, even when my 1,000 pound box-blade is hanging from it.
If the control valve allows leak-down then there is a problem and it should be fixed.
The cylinder I used was rated for 3,000 psi, it is a 3" x 20" and was made in the good ole' US of A ... and it cost me about $125 complete with lines and quick couplers. Any hydraulics shop will make you one up if you're unsure about doing it yourself.
Best of luck.
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| rrc123
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6 Texas
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2004-03-01 78396
I talked to Prince Direct today. They gave me the part numbers I needed. They also directed me to a page that has the hydraulic circuit. Here it is
http://www.princehyd.com/products/pdf_files/SV_Parts_Manual.pdf
Go to page 27. It sure helped me.
Ron ....
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| Ironpeddler
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 111 Science Hill,KY USA
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2004-12-22 102743
Complete Top-N-Tilt with Joy Stick valve, Hydraulic Side link with check valve, and hydraulic top link with check valve. without hoses $550 ....
Link: CCM TOP-N-TILT
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| DK35vince
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 689 Western,Pa.
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2004-12-22 102744
Ironpeddler,
I don't see the length of the side link ( tilt cylinder) from pin to pin listed on the website.
Do you happen to know what they are ?
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| Ironpeddler
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 111 Science Hill,KY USA
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2004-12-22 102745
The side link is 15 1/2" min with a 5" stroke. If you are interested download the .PDF and answer the questions needed to install and purchase the proper T-N-T. ....
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| DK35vince
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 689 Western,Pa.
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2004-12-22 102753
Ironpeddler,
Thanks..
I already have top and tilt installed on my tractor. But my home built tilt cylinder leaks off a little more than I like. Brush mowing is where I notice it the most.
I'm seriously considering going with your top link and tilt cylinders with the check valves. ....
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| Ironpeddler
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 111 Science Hill,KY USA
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2004-12-22 102764
Go to our website and email me.I likely have a solution for you that would save you some money. ....
Link: Carter & Carter Machinery
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| tcary6
Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7 Deland, Florida
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2005-01-11 104007
How much is just the top link with the proper valve? ....
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