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 | tjb
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2000-09-11 19703
I'm in the process of buying a tractor and had settled on the John Deere 4400 HST/FWD, 430 loader with the 73" heavy duty bucket, loaded R4 tires, folding ROPS, and a balast box. I have a 300 foot driveway to plow in the winter and grade in the summer and 6 acres of forested hilly land that I want to partially clear and maintain. I went to several different dealers in my area getting prices and the last dealer (D1) surprisingly said that the 4400 was not worth the extra money and was a hard sell for him. Using D1 quotes (4300 vs 4400), the difference was $1600. I have a quote from another dealer (D2) on the 4400 which is only $900 different from D1s 4300 quote. Not having owned a tractor before, I figured that having more HP at the PTO was a good thing and $900 difference on a $21000 tractor was not that much. I guess I still need to get D2s 4300 quote to see if his difference is more than $900. The general rule I've heard here is buy as much tractor as you can afford and that was my plan. I plan on pushing large hunks of granit around, pulling logs, bushhogging the cleared land, grading/plowing the driveway with a rear blade, etc. so I thought the extra HP would be worth it. Also, I decided to go with R4 tires and get chains for mud or winter instead of R1s. Any input appreciated...
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 | DennisCTB
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2000-09-11 19704
That's a lot of Tractor for 300 feet of driveway. Do you live in a Lake effect area? If not you will be done too quick. I would hire out the Clearing and reassess your needs going forward. ....
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| Eddie Watkins
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2000-09-11 19706
I was quoted $865 difference between the 4300 and 4400 in March. I bought the 4300 because I thought it was really more tractor than I would ever need. I haven't ever wished I had 3 more hp so that I could do something but I have tested the tractor a few times pulling up stumps and doing some dirt moving. YOur best guess is as good as anybodys. IF you don't mind the $900 then get the 4400. I bet you'll never wish you had less hp. ....
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| Mike S.
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2000-09-11 19708
It seemed to me that $900 for 3 more tractor hp was a good buy. Would I miss these three hp--dunno. Mike S. ....
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| Doug Huebner
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2000-09-12 19741
I went with the 4300 after comparing the 4200, 4300 and 4400. It seemed worth the adder for the 6hp 4200 -> 4300 but not to go to the 4400. The 4400 did not get me to the point where I could use a larger rotary mower [6'] so I stayed with the 4300 and put the money towards another implement. It would be nice to have about 10 more hp at times but that would have gotten into a larger tractor [4600] and a bunch more money. So I just go a little slower, take smaller bites with the loader and make a few more passes with the 5' rotary. ....
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| Jack D
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2000-09-12 19744
I went with the 4400 because of the 4WD -- I'd recommend it, regardless of which you get -- and from other posts I understand the adder for this on the 4300 brings the price almost equal to the 4400. ....
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| pj
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I have a woods 6ft 3pt finish mower on my 4400 hydro and you don't even know i'ts back there. ....
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| tjb
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2000-09-14 19788
I got the other dealer's quote for a 4300 and it came to $19900 for the 4300HST/FWD, 430 Loader, loaded R4s, and a balast box. I asked him about chains since it seemed from this board like the chains and R4s would be better than just the R1s and he said that they might not fit. First, is $19900 a decent price, and has anyone else used chains on their 4300/R4s? I'm mostly thinking of the chains for the winter. I'm also now comparing the 4300 to the NH TC33D with the 7308 loader. The quoted price for the NH (I've only been to one dealer) is about $19400. The kicker is that last October the NH dealer had 1.9% financing and there may be a similiar possibility this year. I think I like the 4300 a little better but saving $2500 in interest alone sure makes the NH attractive. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance... ....
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| Rick Schroeder
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2000-09-14 19789
I got a price for a TC33D 7308 loader R4's filled for$17845 a very good price from what I checked if you have any questions e-mail or post on here
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| Rick Schroeder
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2000-09-14 19790
I got a price for a TC33D 7308 loader R4's filled for$17845 a very good price from what I checked if you have any questions e-mail or post on here
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| tjb
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2000-09-14 19791
Rick,
Where are you located and how long ago did you get that price? I plan to go to another NH/Kubota dealer on Saturday to get another opinion but when I mentioned to one of the JD dealers that the price of the TC33D was $19500, he said he was surprised it was that high. Brochure stat-wise, it seems like the JD is alot more rugged. With the 430 loader, the 4300 has twice as much breakout force (3200 vs 1600) and 50% more lifting capacity(1200+ vs 800). It's hard to believe since the pump capacities are pretty similiar but I'm really out of my league. I wish I knew what that translated to in the real world... ....
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| Rick Schroeder
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2000-09-14 19793
tjb,I live in wisconsin and I just got that price from a dealer this week it is pretty well loaded I also saw the JD 4300 price was 890 higher than the NH and with the problems they have had I just did not look any closer. any other ??
Rick, also this will be my 3rd NH ....
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| tjb
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2000-09-14 19795
I guess you like your NHs. Is your quote for HST/FWD? I'm assuming that the 'D' has HST/FWD standard along with the telescoping 3PT hitch? Did you get SuperSteer? What are your thoughts on the brakes being on the same side as the HST speed control? I know both Kubota and NH have this setup. I don't really know what else to ask at this point. I'm still trying to learn what's important. Thanks... ....
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| Rick Schroeder
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2000-09-14 19797
tjb, I have no problems with the brakes ,yes it is a 4x4 no supersteer a waste of money to me hydro with 66" bucket. also the lifting cap. is closer than it says in the books they are tested differently.NH is on the bucket JD is tested at the mounting pin. ....
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| tjb
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2000-09-14 19798
Thanks for your insight. It helps to know that the tractors are more equal than the glossies make them out to be. I'm out of questions for now but may be asking more later. Thanks alot. ....
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| Eddie Watkins
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2000-09-14 19801
If you look at the length and weights of the two tractors, the 4300/4400 should have some advantage on lifting with 400+ lbs of extra weight and 6" of length. WHether it is as much as the brochures indicate, I don't know. I would be shocked if their lift capacities or breakout force were equal. I use my brakes pedals to turn sharper because it saves time especially when I am brush hogging small areas with frequent turns. Reading the CTB I think there are lots of people who don't use them at all. It's a personal preference thing. I have that option with the pedals on the opposite side. Your JD prices do seem a little high to me and $2500 in interest would probably make the decision for me as well. When I bought there wasn't $500 difference between the cheapest and most expensive tractor I looked at. I guarantee whatever you buy, you will believe you made the right decision. That's just the way we are. ....
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| turfman
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2000-09-14 19802
Just a note about lift capacity. I have a 4400 with the 430,60 inch bucket and the palletforks. I know that my machine will lift 1250#'s to a height of 5 ft. 1000#'s to as high as you dare. you need a significant counterweight, and do not turn fast or sharp!!!!! My 4400 does this day in and day out. My friend owns a tc33d that is mainly used to mow. His machine had a hard time filling and lifting a full bucket of pea gravel. I was very suprised by this. Maybe it was the weight of the machine or something. Mine had no problem. I like mine for what I do with it(earn a living). I like his for what he does with it(mow his yard). just my 2 cents. ....
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| John Shade
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2000-09-15 19815
I bought a TC33D, with Super Steer(great for manuvering around trees & the like), 7308 loader, R4's, armrest/lights, etc for $16500 here is Ohio. The dealer is great. I was leaning toward Kubota, but the price & that 1.9% could not be beat. The machine is great so far. ....
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| tjb
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2000-09-18 19870
I tried to get another NH price on Saturday but arrived 15 minutes after they closed. I did get to look at some NHs and Kubotas side by side and then some Kubotas and JDs side by side. The Kubota 2910 is much smaller than either the 4300 or the TC33D. The L3010 was more matching in size. Any thoughts on how the L3010 compares to the 4300/TC33D? The Kubota web page seems to be light on specs when it comes to loader/3PH lift capacity. I plan to go to the same two dealers when they're open next weekend and get some prices. ....
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| tjb
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I got a price today from a dealer on the L3010 4WD/HST with the LA481 loader, HD bucket, ROPS, and loaded R4s of $19500. This too seems high compared to what others have posted here. It seems like New Hampshire area dealers are quite a bit more expensive then other areas of the country. The L3010 certainly looks rugged though. ....
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| Warren
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2001-03-25 25865
I have a 4400 with a 430 loader I have trouble hoching up the hoses to it they seem to have pressor on them. I've tryed everything shot the engine off and moved the lever around and that didn't solve the problem. Have you had this problem? I've finaly decided to put a shotoff valve in the line that solved the problem.I was wondering if anyone else had that problem? ....
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| Bird Senter
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2001-03-25 25868
Warren you say you have trouble hooking up the hoses for your loader because they seem to have pressure in them. That's a common problem with any of the brands. Naturally, with the quick couplers you still have hydraulic oil in the cylinders and hoses. When you start to hook up the next time, if the temperature is warmer than it was when you unhooked, the oil may have warmed and expanded just enough to make too much pressure in the lines to get them to connect. Fortunately, it doesn't happen too often, but when it does, I just take a big drift pin, put it against the pin in the center of the coupler and tap it once pretty hard with a hammer. I wrap a rag around the coupler and drift pin before I hit it with the hammer just in case any oil squirts out under pressure, but never lose more than a drop or two. ....
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| david swann
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2001-03-25 25869
I have a tip for you If you are using the fnl for instance. After turning
off the tractor run the hydo control through the motions. This equalizes the pressure and you won't have that problem again.
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| Bird Senter
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2001-03-26 25897
David, running the hydro controls after turning off the tractor won't make any difference if you're talking about the hydro transmission. And if you're talking about the front end loader control lever, I do that every time I disconnect the loader, but if the loader is disconnected in cool weather and then you try to hook it up in hot weather . . ., well, then you have the situation I described earlier. ....
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| david swann
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Yes, I was speaking of my front-End Loader . I have a 670 so I have a manual transmission. I am sorry this doesn't work for you. Living in SC I don't have so much of a temp. change. It always works for me.Sorry my tip did not help!
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