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 | tmeek1
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 15 N.Y. 
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2007-01-23 139092
I just purchased a 2003 4410 E-hydro w/ 430 FEL, 4wd,mid pto,4 ft. brush hog and a york rake with approx. 650 hrs.
I bought it for $12,000.00. Does that sound like a fair price?
I did not get the manual with it, and have a question.
I'm not sure how to engage the middle PTO. Can you help me on this?
Thanks,
TMeek
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| jd110_1963
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 87 westminster, md
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2007-01-23 139105
First, engage the mid pto knob, then flip the same switch you use for the rear pto. That engages the clutch. Do not turn on pto switch first or you will get lots of grinding. The knob engages the gear and then the switch engages the clutch. You also need to be sitting in the seat. ....
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| tmeek1
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 15 N.Y.
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2007-01-28 139274
Thanks I tried this with no success, the mid pto still does not turn by looking at it .When I turn the mid pto shaft by hand it turns freely, is this normal or a sign a major internal problem with in this area. ....
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 | kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon 
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2007-01-28 139275
I'd suspect an electrical glitch before a mechanical problem. On the right fender is a little light. When you try to use the mid pto does the light flash in a pattern? If so, that's an error code. Let us know what the pattern is and we can decode it for you. This is a shot in the dark, I don't have a mid pto and don't know if it will generate a code. ....
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 | Iowafun
Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 955 Central Iowa 
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2007-01-29 139301
I've had my 4310 kick out an error code for PTO issue before. So hopefully his will. Fortunately, it was a user error issue. I just needed to shut off and restart the tractor to reset the system. ....
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| tmeek1
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 15 N.Y.
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2007-01-29 139320
Thanks for the advice I am going to check this first thing in the a.m. (3rd shifter) to see if this error code comes up. ....
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| tmeek1
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 15 N.Y.
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2007-02-01 139453
I tried the mid again again numerous times with no luck and no blinking light code. One dealership technician said it might be the switch itself or it may be a damaged wire that feeds the mid , but he also seemed to think it was an electrical problem. Thanks again ....
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| kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon
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2007-02-01 139464
These tractors have wiring harnesses that run underneath and the wires have been known to hang a bit too low. They can then get caught and ripped loose. If you crawl underneath and give all the wiring and connections a good inspection you might find the problem. ....
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| tmeek1
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 15 N.Y.
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2007-02-02 139494
The JD tech. I talked to mentioned the same you did ,to go over the udercarriage for loose wires. I'm going to do this as soon as I get a chance and hopefully I can find the problem , without having to bring it in .I'll let you know how I make out . Thanks again . ....
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| tmeek1
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 15 N.Y.
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2007-02-08 139665
I checked all the undercarriage wires and wire connections and everthing appeared to be alright. I also received the 4410 owners manual and checked all the fuse layouts and all seemed fine, but I did notice one of the relays was missing in the K-4 opening. They do not show the relay layout in the manual, but I did look up the relay part online for the mid PTO as RE73096. I checked the relays in the machine and only two started with the RE , the rest appeared to be an aftermarket or a foreign part . I'm hoping this relay or the switch itself is the only problem with this mid PTO.I wonder if a service manual would show more detail on this area. Thanks again. ....
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 | Chief
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4297 Southwest MiddleTennessee
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2007-02-08 139667
The question and concern that comes to mind is, why was the relay removed in the first place? Be careful when you reinstall it. Hopefully the previous owner removed it because he or she did not use the mid pto and did this to prevent them grinding the pto gears due to out of sequence activation of the pto switches. ....
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| jd110_1963
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 87 westminster, md
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2007-02-08 139668
From what I see in the manual, the K5 relay is for an optional trailer connector that you may not have. The relays that work the mid pto are K14, K15, and K16. They are the smaller relays in the lower right corner. You could try swapping the upper six relays with the lower six to see if the problem changes. You could have a bad relay.
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| kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon
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2007-02-08 139669
The tech manual lists K4 as the Engine Run Relay (?) There are three relays involved in the mid-pto circuit. K14 is the interlock relay, K15 is the lockout relay, and K16 is the mid pto relay. ....
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| tmeek1
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 15 N.Y.
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2007-02-10 139694
The k-4 relay must be for the optional trailer connector because my engine runs great.I did take off the fuse box shroud and saw the 6 smaller relays on the bottom right ( as jd110 said)and the 2 on the far right were missing ,along with the orange strip that hold them in. ....
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| tmeek1
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 15 N.Y.
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2007-02-11 139697
continued: so I'm hoping it is just the two missing relays . I know the original owner said he never used the mid,but it's beyond me why any one would remove the 2 relays and the orange hold strips ,unless there was a problem .I'm hoping I am wrong. I also did notice a lot of mud(dirt) in the fuse area and between the relays, almost like at one time the machine was buried in mud or something.I am slowly starting to figuire this out with all of your help. Thanks again. ....
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 | AnnBrush
Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 463 Troy OH
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2007-02-12 139716
That sounds like a HECK of a low price for that set-up. If it were me I would suspect there is something wrong with the unit? ....
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| tmeek1
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 15 N.Y.
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2007-02-14 139754
I did get a great price(divorce thing),and I really do not need the mid right now,but it sure be nice to know . It tough to work on right now because we are getting dumped on with snow here in upstate NY,and I have been out snow blowing(72" rear blower) every day.Can anyone tell me if I bought a Tech. manual(2003 4410)would it show the relay layout and descriptions? Thanks ....
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| kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon
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2007-02-14 139758
Yes, the tech manual shows the relay layout and descriptions as well as a complete wiring diagram. Be aware that JD manuals are known for typos - like the possible one in the tech manual that says relay R4 is the engine run relay when that doesn't jive with what you see on yours. ....
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 | harvey
Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1550 Moravia, NY 
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2007-02-15 139765
tmeek1 where are you located? I have all the manuals and am between Homer and Moravia. ....
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| tmeek1
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 15 N.Y.
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2007-02-15 139791
Harvey, I am located in Brewerton NY , Lake Effect USA. ....
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| harvey
Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1550 Moravia, NY
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2007-02-16 139792
Gander Mtn is not far from you and I get up there often.
I believe my email link works. I'm fairly mechanical if you'd like a hand let me know.
Harvey ....
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| tmeek1
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 15 N.Y.
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2007-02-21 139931
Thanks Harvey I live about 2 miles north .I'm having problems trying to sign in as a premium member so as to send u an email. ....
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| harvey
Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1550 Moravia, NY
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2007-02-21 139935
Tmeek
it's harvey "at" oddyssey "dot" net
try that!
Harvey ....
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| Nuruadv
Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 34 United State
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2007-02-28 140068
Sounds like a good price. I just picked up a 2003 4310 with less hours than 200 hours for my 4100/Blade/Loader54"MMM and $3k from a dealer. ....
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