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2005-09-27          117002

Eminent Domain is an issue that interests or has implications for ALL of us. That much is clear from previous discussions on this board about it. Below is a link to Susette Kelo's testimony to Congress and her experiences in dealing with the "JBT's".

A not so small note here about this issue...........To date no government or state organization has passed ANY EFFECTIVE legislation to combate this gross perversion of the Constitution. Alabama passed an Eminent Domain reform law but it contained a huge loop hole for "blight" which in effect makes the law meaningless and a laughable farce. Virginia and some other states are working on passing similar worthless legislation.



Link:   Testimony of Ms. Susette Kelo

 
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2005-09-27          117004

It's way past time to take this country back. The democrats want this type of judge, so we have black robed tyrants running rough shot over the Constitution. Justise Stevens admits and others he look at foreign law in cases they review. Unbelievable. The country sleeps when the economy is good and then calls for more intervention when there is the slightest down tick. I vote for Republicans to turn this around, but even they seem complacent and let the liberals push around their elitist beliefs. ....

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2005-09-27          117007

Don't be fooled by the Republicans. They have become liberals of a lessor degree and support Judge John Roberts to be appointed as the Supreme Courts Chief Justice! The OBVIOUS choice in my view for Chief Justice is Associate Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. He is the ONLY justice on the Supreme Court who understands his duty to interpret the Constitution as written by the founding fathers. John Roberts is a strong supporter of the current twisted eminent domain laws and has tried cases as a lawyer in the past for clients intent upon seizing private property. Could we do worse than Roberts......... CERTAINLY......... but just be apprised that he is NO conservative. My feeling is that is would be nearly impossible if not totally impossible for ANY president to get a TRUE Constitutionalist candidate through the congressional approval process. ....

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2005-09-27          117011

I knew when I voted for Bush he would only be speed bump in the fast lane to socialism. But it's like, "The suspension be damned, full speed ahead"!
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2005-09-27          117012

I had a recent conversation with a local business (Bar & Restaurant) owner who was looking into registering his place on the Historical Location (or whatever its called) list and said that he had given up in this because of "other" reasons. When I questioned him further, he began on an explanation of how these historical place registries are often associated with the UN and other "International" registries which a along with the Eminent Domain (tie in) laws could allow the UN to seize properties in the USA. He cited an example in West Virginina, which I knew nothing of.

Has anyone heard of this?? If it's true.... ....

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2005-09-27          117013

As a matter of pure law, the US Constitution is a very unique animal.

Every other law is intended, written and interpreted as a living, evolving thing.

The Constitution is the opposite, it was intended to be a steadfast bastion of the ideals & principles of the founding fathers and the society they THEN represented.

The result is today, a mish-mash of convoluted interpretations and amendments that span a remarkable period of time.

Unfortunately, the only real solution is also the only unattainable one, a national plebiscite which renders a clear and decisive national opinion (ie, overwhelmingly clear majority vote) on which is the desired route to take, make the Constitution a more modern document, or leave it as the historical benchmark of America it was intended to be.

Just my opinion from up here looking south over a coffee.

Best of luck. ....

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2005-09-27          117015

Just an observation, (and please correct me if I’m wrong). If you look at the Supreme Court decision on “Kelo v. New London” it was 5 to 4 in favor of the City on New London. The five justices in favor of the City of New London were all Republicans. The four in favor of Kelo were 2-Democrats and 2-Republicans. Take it for what it’s worth... ....

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2005-09-27          117017

Regardless of which political party you are attached to, I don't think anyone is pleased with the supreme court ruling when they actually sit and contemplate having their home taken for a mini-mall. Iowa is also looking at adding a law to curb it's abuse. But I suspect loop holes will be placed in there by special interests with the money to open ears and loosen the pens.

If you really want to make a difference, run for your local office. It's tough to have the law abused when you and fellow like-minded individuals are on the city council.

I'm thinking about running myself due to this very kind of abuse by government I'm seeing. The simple truth is we can sit around and complain on an internet chat board or actual utilize democracy and do something about it. The only thing holding me back right now is my company is in the process of being sold. Kind of tough to run for office if I don't know where I'll be living in 6 months. ....

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2005-09-27          117018

Iowafun,

I hear ya. In theory I think we would ALL like to think this is the case and we CAN make a difference............reality says otherwise. Been there.....done that.........got the T-shirt, sweat shirt, pants, jacket, and fancy tennis shoes................it doesn't make much if any difference.

Let me give you a bit of information that should shock you but in this day and age is unbelievable the norm:

5 out of 10 Americans believe the sun revolves around the Earth.

The average American has no idea who the vice president or their national elected officials are........ just watch Jay Leno's "Jay Walking" interviews.

This is just a sad few but I think you get the idea.

The sad and tradgic consequences are that these people although not all of them VOTE. That is how people like Barney Frank, Charles Shumer, Diane Feinsien, and Ted Kennedy get elected. These idiots are who cast votes for nominees for the Supreme Court! ....

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2005-09-28          117063

Up here in the great white frozen north we have a kind of interesting twist on the smae principle.

Here we call it expropriation, and it is more like a forced SALE, they have to pay market value, and you can easily argue your opinion of the value, and the tribunal listens.

Now the twist, in a recent court ruling they established a new principle. You can use the INTENDED or FINAL use as an arguement for PRESENT value.

In other words, if they say your place is worth $500k as a home on a few acres because of zoning or whatever and it cannot be developed. But if they plan to expropriate to build a mini-mall, which would make the land worth millions, you can use those plans and values to say your place is worth several millions, not hundreds of thousands. If they do not declare their intentions you can even go back after the fact for your top-up money.

This does two things, first it makes the body wishing to take the land think long & hard before trying, and secondly, gives the landowner many times what they could ever have gotten had the government not forced the issue.

Best of luck. ....

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2005-09-28          117066

Murf,

Our Constitution is missing in action.............. it sounds like it may be hidding up your way! ;O) What a concept!!!!........ No person shall "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." Sounds like somebody understands the concept of "just compensation" up there.
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2005-09-28          117081

2ndhand - I hear ya and I know it. I remember back to high school in northern Idaho. My history teacher would have a current events quiz for bonus points. Bam! The hottest girl in the class would want to be my partner for it. Maybe because I was about the only one that could answer questions about anything other than sports? I usally won hands down. I was asked how I knew such amazing stuff like the name of the president of France? The response was simple, I read the newspaper every day while eating breakfast. This was before the internet was invented by Al Gore.

I never understood why Ted Kennedy, an over-weight alcoholic woman-killing drunk could keep getting elected. But then I remember he has the Kennedy name and the vast majority of Americans are ignorant. We recently looked at names for a new product at work. One included a very common spanish word. It didn't make it because too few Americans would understand it even though it's a staple of the words used on Sesame Street. Sad... ....

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2005-09-28          117083

Iowafun:
That's not nice to use two redundant adjectives in the same sentence describing Ted Kennedy (alcoholic/drunk). Remember he is upstanding gentleman on the Senate ethics committee.

As for Spanish, we have one language in this country and approximately 45% of the population is a minority of some sort and can't speak it. My heritage is German and I don't walk around in lederhosen and ask for a handout. I surely would never walk around with a towel on my head or carry a spot on my forehead from the Northend of a Southbound donkey while living/working in the USA. My ancestors were dirt poor, but hard workers and never asked for anything from anybody.

I also am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment which they are trying to take away along with our property when it suites them. ....

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2005-09-28          117086

This reminds me of a sign I saw in a car window that said: "Massachusetts: Mindlessly electing Kennedy's for over 50 years" ....

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2005-09-28          117087

Okay, everyone knows that Ted likes his drink, but did you also know that George W. was arrested for DUI in 1976, and in 1995 he had the Texas DMV change his driver’s license number, ...presumably to conceal the DUI. ....

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2005-09-28          117092

Did you know that Teddy Kennedy KILLED a woman, while high and drunk, but his family promptly covered it up for him. Still the morons of Massachusetts keep that murdering, drunk, FILTH in the senate?? What (who) else has been buried for Kennedy family political careers?

Hardly comparable to a DUI. I know several people with DUI convictions who are upstanding citizens who have mended their ways. I can't say I know any murderers though (not that I would care to). ....

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2005-09-29          117102

I am a trustee on my local township board. I decided to run as I had the interest and the time.

What I have found is that in my opinion the reason our form of government has lasted is because it is so inefficient. Nobody has the power to change much at all, even the President. This as kept would be dictators out at the price of having a huge and very bloated bureaucracy.

The biggest problem with our local board is the road commission. The state of Michigan sends their road tax money directly to them. This is just like giving a contractor a pile of money and saying what can you build for this amount? It should go to the customer which is the local boards and then out after a job has been done, not the other way around.

Iowafun is right, more diversity is needed at the local levels. The board I am on has several teachers and a nurse. I am a Tool & Die Maker and business owner. Where are all the farmers and shop people? They make up the vast majority of our population here in Central Michigan.

Our board tends to be too tight with the money at the price of efficiency. An example was it took one YEAR to get the board to approve to replace a hot water heater in the township hall! Drove me nuts! They kept saying "well, maybe we can get one cheaper here or do we need one that big or whatever". All the while the old inefficient heater was using up any perceived savings.

Nothing against public school teachers, I know I don't want the job, but school is not the real world. Business decisions are not structured and in the rule book. 1210 people live in this township and only about 20 are teachers, but they are way over represented on the board.

I think everybody on TractorPoint should run for their local township or county board. It would greatly help with having good hard working practical knowledge in government.

Just thought of one more issue - the media. I think in a few years the Internet may be our biggest hope for truth at the Federal level. The three major networks typical viewer is now over sixty. Most younger people use the Internet. Myself I check CNN, ABC, Fox, Drudge, Rush Limbaugh and Mike Moore daily to get VERY diverse viewpoints. And from there I can do google research very easily if I want to here more. Case in point is the Dan Rather scam from last year.

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2005-09-29          117113

"This reminds me of a sign I saw in a car window that said: "Massachusetts: Mindlessly electing Kennedy's for over 50 years""

Up here my favourite bumper sticker says "Don't cheat, lie or steal, the Government hates competition." ....

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2005-09-29          117123

Murf, when I lived in Northn Minnesota, I'd take my girlfriend (now my wife) to Winnipeg to a comedy club up there. Although we didn't fully appreciate the Canadian political jokes, it made me realize Canadian government is probably like most governments in that it is just as screwed up as the US government. Bureaucrats by definition are incapable of completing anything. ....

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2005-09-29          117125

pro - con

progress - congress

That kind of says it all. ....

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2005-09-29          117132

I'm sure several other members here will agree with me ...

"Military Intelligence"

NOT particularly comforting words when the fertilizer hits the rotary cooling device, OR in peace time either..... ....

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2005-10-17          118049

3 thoughts on the US Government:
No one ever accused a politian of having common sense. (probably true for all countries.)
Bumper sticker: Sure you can trust the Governement, ask any Indian.
Bumper sticker: I am from the Fed. Gov. to help you. ....

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