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2006-04-01          127005

I wrote this "Female Black Congresswoman" (her description not mine) to let her know that in my 54 years I've never considered myself to be a racist but that people like her are fast turning me into one. I read the attached article and, well, it gets me going more than a few cups of strong coffee. I'm just sick and tired of the "Race Card" being played for every little thing that these people (YES, THESE PEOPLE) don't like. I wonder if I went into one of the House Office Buildings, raced past security and refused to STOP when requested (THREE TIMES) if they'd run after me and do more than grab me? I'd probably get my ass kicked and that's the way it should be. If it was a few BLACK security officers that stopped me would I be able to yell discrimination? Would Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'reilly appear with me on National TV to show support for a "Brother"? If they did, would the term "Brother" be offensive to some in that example?
If security DIDN'T stop her under the scenario given they would be negligent in their job as far as I'm concerned. Personally, I think if "these people" didn't make such an issue of race all the time then the issue of race would disappear. While I'm on the subject...Why is it that everybody from a foreign country that is living here carries around the flag of THEIR NATIVE country (or their Great Great Grandfather's native country) when protesting something in this country? Do you live here or not? Do you want to live here? If you don't like it here don't try to screw with what has been pretty darn good for a few hundred years; don't try to make me change to YOUR customs and DON'T expect me to speak YOUR language. I've gotten somewhat used to the English language and American customs. Just leave and take your flag, which you obviously love more than this one, with you! I believe everyone should be treated equally and fairly. That means that no matter what color you are you don't get treated any differently. Let me repeat that. NO MATTER WHAT COLOR YOU ARE! That means being OF COLOR is NO LONGER AN EXCUSE to be treated better than the average Joe Blow!
If Representative McKinney was in Iran for Government business and was attacked by Iranians for not wearing her burqa properly, I, as a fellow American, would be outraged and (If present) would defend her as a fellow American and in that respect, a Sister. Not because she's black, white, red, or yellow but as a fellow American and fellow human being. It's when people start yelling color that I REALLY take notice of it. Perhaps more of this story will come out that has yet to be told and it will shed a whole new light. Until it does, that's how I feel. Maybe it's just me!



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2006-04-01          127006

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My duaghter said to me when she was 12 years old "Dad, I don't know what Prejudice is but they (Blacks) keep telling me"
I think it is time that we refer to ALL of ourselves as Americans and enough of this segregating on employemnet forms etc are you" Afro-American, Latin-American, Irish-American, Italian-American, Mexican-American or White?" Damn, I am a color and everyone else has American in their titles. LOL MAybe we should take the flags away and call em all just plain AMERICAN. Either you are or your are NOT. THere should be ONE language, English, speak it or leave. Go to France and try to order a meal, only in the toruists areas will you get anyone that speaks English, otherwise if you want to eat, learn French. Afirmative-Action showed favoritism and enough is enough.
I was reading a News story awhile back where some Black Leader (maybe Jackson or SHarpton) was bitching that the jails hold more Blacks than Whites. He never spoke the extra words to really complete what he was insinuating which was clearly, The courts are against the Blacks. When he was finished it was revealed that Blacks commit more crimes against other Blacks than Whites do to them or to themselves and the jails had more because it was probably because they did more to get there.....
As long as people are willing to feed these ridiculous claims they will be around for a long time to come. Look at the Native Americans...(see) they were hunted and shot for fun. Yet how often do you hear them complaining and they live in the worst poverty? Did you ever hear of Cowboys and Negroes? Or any childhood game that involved hating Blacks? Me either.... we had einy miny mighty moe which was the only thing I can recall about blacks that might have been bad, but I would have on two six guns and a Cowboy hat and my day was most always riding my broomstick and out hunting Indians.......... Today I have the Greatest of respect for the Native American... Can't quite say the same about the Blacks, not as long as they muster under the likes of Jackson who has gotten his fortunes for threatening big companies, or idiot Sharpton, let them muster around the likes of Powell or Rice and they would have an excellent chance.



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2006-04-01          127024

Dont get me going!!
I had as good of an "IN" as anyone could ever wish they had. My dad rented (after his divorce from my mom) and lived with a captain on the local fire department and the other guy who owned the house and also lived there was the city's fire chief. (Yes, at one time in my life I dreamed of being a fireman). Scored a 97% on the written test, passed the physical portion of the test with no problems.
This is when the bomb shell hit. Loyd (the fire chief) told my father that there was a quota that they needed to meet with this hiring, they needed 4 minority and only had one opening for a WHITE MALE. There was one person who already was a fireman and was in school for his paramedic (future). He was a shoe in! I was told that I should apply again the next year and for sure he would be able to help push my future career to the next level. The hireing break down by race and gender went as 2 women, 2 african-Americans, and one White male already trained. After a certain amount of time you have to pass a emt training course or you are fired. Well you guessed it. both of the untrained "men" did not pass and ultimately were terminated and or quit. One of the women (by the end of the first 6 month period filed a sexual harrasement complaint) and wound up quiting as she pursued her lawsuit. The last woman got pregnant and decided a leave of absence was in order for her! LOL LOL LOL. As they say in my "home land" "Kiss my Polish Dupa!" Bottom line is that by the time the next hireing came around, I already was 3 years into the tool and die trade adn had a baby. I made the mistake of "giving in" to the hireing qouta. There is Nothing "Equal" in Equal opportunity employing when you need to put waht race you are. I often wondered WHY a company is even allowed to ASK what race you are if it is equal opportunity employment. That point should not even come into the picture?

As for your comments about the american indians. I have an opinion that is never talked about. In fact, you have a hard time finding any info on it. How many times did one tribe take land and territory from anouther tribe in a battle?? Think about it? Can one American indian ask for some of the money from the casino's (say from) anouther indian tribe thatmay of been involved in taking land from them (or their great great great great father inlaw?
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2006-04-02          127033

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I don't beleive I know of a single case where any Native American Troibe took land from another tribe. They all beleived that the land was the fleshof their Mother. They may have gone to battle with another tribe to gain more Buffalo, but other than the Pueblo Indians mose tribes were not settled, they were more of a nomadic people and followed the Buffalo or whatever. Villages were here one day and gone the next.
Columbus was a ruthless bastard and should not be in our history books as a hero. He is the man who you can credit slavery to. He came here and he alone was responsible for thousands of Native Americans being murdered. He would cut the frontsof their feet off so they couldn't run away and took dozens back to SpPain and Portgual to be used as slaves. His men murdered thousands upon thousands and it is No wonder that the Red Man hated the White man. How many Explorers came here and planted a Lance in the ground and declared it for another country. DeSoto, Columbus, Cook, Megellan, and many more.
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Oh well. Hey, I am not trying to be a Racists, I am fed up with everyone claiming I am doing something to them and in reality I am the one being singled out. I hear Jesse BIG OUTH Jackson always accusing someone of having a Racist conspiracy behind their motives and tlak bad about the Whites all of the time. Claims I have mistreated his people etc etc. GOD Dang the Civil War was over almost 140 years ago and i have never done no harm to any Black person. NEVER. Yet, i am looked at by them as if I belong to some friggin Black Hate Gang or something. I think that is what my daughter was trying to say. I am NOT a Color I am an American...period. ....

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2006-04-02          127042

I feel it incumbent upon me to comment on the recent sexual assault accusations against the Duke university students by a black woman. If these accusations are true (and it seems the evidence supports the claim) that is also an outrage and I would hope the attacker(s) are quickly caught and face justice. ....

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2006-04-02          127044

There are some real problems with that case in terms of the victims time line.

Something bad probably happened there but if it has been embellished or lied about it may get scuttled. ....

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2006-04-02          127047

You may be right Mark. I was just going by an article I had read. Whatever happened (or didn't) I hope the truth comes out. ....

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2006-04-06          127294

As to Indian tribes just following the buffalo, I think you will find the Cherokees and at least some other tribes of the US Southeast were agriculturial rather than just hunters. I think (my study of history is now history) that might have been the way of the eastern Indians. Guess the plains Indians who were not in good crop land had little choice but to be hunters and gathers.

Sadly some in our country hold us to different standards than any other country. The US Southwest is not legally part of the US, it was taken from Mexico. (I thought Texas fought without the US Army on their own.) Okay, where did Mexico come from? Was it not taken from the Indians by the Spanish? Boy let us be fair here. Guess Canada is also different than the US. Could it be New York City is the only part we own as the Dutch bought it. Wait, how did we get it? Did we steal it from them?

I have no problem with anyone who thinks someone else really owns their property. If they wish to give it to them, go right ahead. But first it must be your's. But then if it is really your's, then how is really their's?

As to the US Congresswoman from GA. God Bless her. She is doing more to tell the truth about who really hates than we may think. ....

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2006-04-06          127298

One arcane point needs to be made about the indians: those indians, who in 1600's lived in the territories now known as the US, actually took this land by force from the indians, who came before them in the original migration across the Bering straight, which was dry land at the time. As tribes crossed from Asia to America, they pushed the earlier tribes further down, until the entire continent was filled.

regarding congressman McKinney: the question should be: is the country better served allowing people like her to participate in the government, or should unruly people like that be brought up slowly to a level of civility that will eventually qualify them for full benefits of citizernship. ....

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2006-04-06          127300

As to Ms. McKinney, it sure is a shame if this is the best option that district has.

As land being taken, how come those people who say we need to GIVE this country back to Mexico or Indians are often the same people who say the City or such should TAKE our land to build new condos or such? It seems they just want anyone esle to own what is others. ....

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2006-04-06          127304

Ken; How was Hawaii aquired? How was Washinton and Oregon aquired? Who was the majority of the population in the Louisiana territory? Did they have a say?

The native population was primarily agrarian from the gulf to southern Ontario. In the Canadian Shield and plains the population was never very large as it had to rely on hunting and gathering.

In 1500 before contact with europeans there were an estimated 3 million natives in North America (some estimates as high as 12 million). Most were killed by small pox etc. although a significant number were killed by war and extermination like in California. In 1900 cenus recorded about 300,000. We now have about 3 million again. More than 1/3 of which are in cold Canada.

In the first 100 years in the US there were some 1 million deaths due to war in North America, not counting native deaths which were not recorded. Some how I doubt that the native population killed 10,000 people a year in the small raids they did between tribes with spears and arrows even before decimation by disease.

I find it interesting that we focus on the violence of the tribes and forget the violence of this nation.

I was definately better to be of color than native in the US. At least you were worth something as a slave. ....

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2006-04-06          127305

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Your report on the movement of the American Native American has some leaks.
The Tribes of this NAtion crossed by way of the Bering Starit many thousands of years ago. There is NO record as of yet who was here if anyone prior to that. There is another beleif that this entire Continent broke away from Europe and has been moving Westward. You can almost fit the Americas with the coast of Europe.
Anyways, many of the Plains Indians were pushed Westward and Eastward by early explorers. Tribes that were once Plains became Forest. None were arghricultural some may have planted Maze but none would be considered Farmers.
White man forced them to different areas as in the LONG WALK and the TRAIL OF TEARS. Many were buthcered from moving trains strictly for the thrill of watching them die. The WHite man from European roots showed the Indians how to scalp and used scalps as proof that their enemies were killed and paid the Indian a ransom for the scalps. The Native American has No word for Hate. We were just good teachers. ....

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2006-04-06          127306

wingwiper,

you mistakenly mentioned KT as the one who described the migration of indians through the Americas. I was the one who addressed the point. I go by archeological and paleontological data. Based on that data (and I'm not an expert, only an informed amature, so if anyone has more precise data, please correct me) the migrations occured around 20 thousand years ago from Asia. The age of the migrations is confirmed by carbon dated artifacts. The fact that American Indians are of Asian origin is confirmed by cultural and anatomical similarities between themselves and the current inhabitants of the far east. The fact that migrations occured in the matter I described (with successive displacements) is again indicated by archeological evidence where cultural artifacts similar to thouse used by the tribes that inhabit South America can be found in Alaska, showing the rout that the South American tribes took to their current homeland. The bottom line is, the history of America's prior to the arrival of white man is steeped in conflict and warfare. White Man brought nothing new to the continent other than gunpowder, horses and superior military skills.

Your point that Americas separated from Europe (and Africa for that matter) is correct, except that occured tens of millions of years ago and prior to the evolution of mankind.

About your point on "hate" and scalping, I think you're probably joking, so I'm not responding to that.

Having said all of this, killing of indians outside of legitimate warfare was obviously a heinous crime and the folks that did the needless killings are burning in hell as we speak. ....

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2006-04-06          127308

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You expect me to be able to remeber details such as who posted what?????
I wasn't kidding about Hate they have no spoken words for Hate. Scalping was actually taught to them by the Europeans. Scalping was proof to the Europeans that the White Colonist was killed and ransoms were usually traded for the scalps.
Were you aware of the MORe accurate dating using Wood versus Carbon? They have been able to use wood found in Old Pueblo Dwellings etc and found at other sites and crossed the growth rings with wood from like the Sequoias and the Bristle Pine and have been able to obtain an extremely accurate timeline using Wood, accuarcy within one season.
Yes! there is much Asian influnece in the American Indian and there is some South American such as the Ranchero, Hopi, Zuni, Navajo and even Apache that show that influence and similarities to the Mayan and Aztec.
I do hope the ones who killed for sport and because they thought the Red Man was a savage are burning in Hell. I am part Sioux, Cheyenne and Cherokee and the Cherokee in the Carolinas are NOT Native of that area but from further West. Same for the Cheyenne. One tribe who has NEVER signed the treaties live in the Swamps in the Everglades, the Seminole. The tribe at the base of the Grand Canyon, the Havasupi were at one time Plains People and were driven until they sought their refuge within the walls of the Canyon. To this very day permission to enter the Canyon floor has to be granted by the Havasupi in advance. It is lush and green. Take a trip to the bottom sometime and meet these great people. ....

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2006-04-06          127309

speaking of Grand Canyon,
Didn't FDR have a plan for filling it up in one of his psychotic hydroelectric dam plans? Good thing it never happened.

but I'm off the topic completely, so have a nice day! ....

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2006-04-06          127310

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He wanted to fill the Grand Cnayon with a Hydro Project???? I guess, natural walls to hold it, but wow! that would make for a Short Donkey ride.
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2006-04-06          127311

So I recon destruction of natural wonders for the sake of energy is not your idea of good land stewardship? ....

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2006-04-06          127315

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No that would be a bummer.....
I have thoughted about putting paddlewheel type of things along our Coast lines and let the POUNDING SURF generate some power for us. Hell the surf is always pounding and there are plenty of areas that you can't put nothing else in its place, so why not? Just think of the possibilities, Storm tonight brings a brighter light. or some dumb log... ....

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2006-04-06          127318

No that would be a bummer.....
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Well, then I put the attempts to suck the last remaining drop of oil out of the ANWR in the same category. Considering that those reserves would be a mere drop in the bucket of total US oil consumption, I see no economic or political benefit for developing those oilfields and destroying one of the last remaining wildlife areas in the WORLD in the process. The oil will be sucked out and gone in less than 10 years, but the tundra will not recover ever. I think the protection of ANWR is the only good reason for the existence of the democrat party.

Speaking of renewable energy. If we could only harvest all the hot air coming out of Washington, we could probably heat the entire North East the whole winter. ....

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2006-04-06          127319

The best I remember the Cherokees and others did not live in moveable houses or teepees, rather stationary houses.

No tribe ever took land fron another? That could be true due to how much land with the population. But if they were willing to kill each other, take prisioners, take their children, take their food but they respected the land so they would not occupy it? Wow. Shame they did not respect the person that much.

Now, I have no idea how correct some of my thougths on these points are. I could be remembering way wrong. THose of you who remeber so well since you were there, I appreciate your correcting me. LOL.

If it is important I will take the time in the next few days to find out. ....

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2006-04-06          127320

I read the story today about the Racist McKinney and I wonder just how bad she has really had it.... LOL I guess DeLay called a spade a spade..... This has to be the FIRST time that I have ever heard of anyone calling a Black person a Racists, I thought that was only reserved for Whites..ROFLMAO
I was not there, you are right and I only can speak my opinion and refer to what I have learned and then it can be said does that make it all true? who knows, right?
The Red Man has so much to complain about and yet sits in silence, the Black man has so little to complain about and is constantly referring to exaggerated abuse. The White man has so little time to listen to either as if he is the one who sits in Judgement on all others. ....

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2006-04-06          127332

Well McKinney appologised today as well she should. I will not be holding my breath to wait to here DeLay's appologies.

In reality we have no idea what the cultures of the interior natives were like in North America. If I went through your town and killed 9/10 of the old and young and you had no books how much knowledge would remain. Even the cultures that had writing like the Aztecs had their books distroyed.

Most of the eastern natives raise crops, corn, tobacco etc. ....

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2006-04-07          127349

Based on my limited knowledge of human nature, the American Indians were a peaceful gentle bunch who smoked their pipe and sung kumbaya. Hasn't that been the trademark of human nature around the world?

Fact is, primitive societies, in a wast majority of cases, are violent. (then come to think of it, advanced societies are just as violent).

Bottom line is, I think the attempts to whitewash indian inequities are just as regrettable as attempts to whitewash slavery. ....

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2006-04-07          127355

We have become a rush to judgement society. Probably much of that is due to the news media. They spend hours asking "why did she kill him" or did he break the law or what ever. All a guessing game with people who really know nothing of the truth. WIth all the experts and amatures telling what went on how come the young lady in Aruba case is still so unknown.

I will stand with DeLay and McKinny as each of their cases are/were given more importance at the stage they were/are than is deserved. Each should have been reported and updated as only somehting changed or developed in the real world, not the News Media's made up one.

Then the courts or the votes should be allowed to have their proper time. THEN THE NEWS MEDIA SHOULD report that person as guilty of money laundering or srtiking a police officer or an ex US Rep who was voted out of office.

There is a bid difference between McKinney and DeLay cases I think, she never said she was not guilty of the charges, rather it happened because of her race. DeLay has over and over said he is not guilty. I have never heard of a person who holds themself to be innocent whether true or not saying they are sorry.

It will be interesting if DeLay is found NOT GUILITY if those who accused him in the Media and here give an appology. Please, I am not saying he is or is not, I don't have the facts and hope the truth does come out in court. ....

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2006-04-07          127366

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Why does DeLay have to apologize? If he called someone who is a Racist a Racist, I don't see where an apology is necessary, If I call an Oak Tree and Oak Tree and a Maple a Maple do I owe anybody or thing an apology?
As far as your Native American History, you may want to side step it for whatever reason. There are photograghs, military reports, journals, records of all sorts to document what happened. No! Only the Southwestern Indians were even remotely considered Farming Tribes. East Coast were small game, berries, fish. There homes were not built as permanent and they could and would and did move. Only the Southwestern were pretty well settled in one area. Sure they may have some Maze (Corn) but I really don't beleive it and that story about the pilgrims and the Corn and the Fish, well I think that is a story. Maze or Corn is from the Southwestern Regions and was widely used. East coast, sure there may have been tobacco. Most Pipes had just about anything in them and Peace Pipes or Ceremonial Pipes had Catcus Buds or Piaoty. Wild Rice was a food as well as any type of Wild Wheat. But as far as farming, they were not. ....

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You call the Native American Primitive? WHy??? THey were NOT primitive, far from it and extremely civilized. They had Different Values and worshiped the Earth and all of Life. Europeans had a Society that was controlled by Kings and Queens and Popes and whatever. They wore powdered wigs and tights and dressed like Gays. They wanted to conquere and change everything in their grasps, they wanted Trade Routes that was theirs only.
Native Americans were Peaceful, mind there own business and YES! had scarpes now and again. There were a few tribes that were considered Waring Tribes but in the same perspective as the Civilized Europeans who were trying to conquere them, they were mild.
Here is an old joke.. The Native American did NOT pollute, had plenty of food, no job, women did the work, they paid no taxes and then the Europeans came and tried to improve the system. Native Americans had a life that they had lived the same way for many undreds of years. Did you know that in there Primitive form of communication, word was aaid to have spread from one coast to another in only 20 minutes. It was disease, the sword and the cannon and European desire to conquere that killed the Native American and tried to push them totally out of history. ....

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You are hitting the nail on the head more accurately then you may think.
We the american People have grown reliant on the media and that reliance has given the media a self appointed power over us. They feel they are entitlted to all facts before anyone else, they feel they have a Right to report the news whether it be right or even to be proven.
How often can you go to Netscape and read a News title and then get into the story and fgind the Title is not even close to the facts being reported?
Look how angry the White House Media was when Cheny went to a local Texas Media instead. They felt they had a Right before anyone and they also tried to make the enforcement that people demand that the media controls what is going on. Cheney was not obligated in any way to notify any news media. If the media wants a story let them go out and get one.
Look at the War in Iraq, the Graphics, the music and fancy image transistions, Hell they are trying to make Hollywood type of productions out of the pain and suffering and an Explosion is nothing more than Free Graphics to them. Dan Rather learned that his opinion is NOT to be reported as fact and that Facts need to be researched prior to reporting, who gives a shit about the race to be first with the story??? The Media is destroying us and most of the people you talk to are informed thru 5 minute sound bytes while they grab a bite to eat or get ready to hit the town. The media has turned into a Joke as compared to what they use to be. I watched Wolf Blizter a while back and the story was a simple story and rattled on for 20 minutes injecting opinion after opinion as if they were the facts. Then they still walk up to a slain soldiers family and ask some real questions like " How did you feel when you got the news about your son?" I mean the media today is filled with over paid Hollywood wannabes whackos. ....

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Here is another sick and tired:

I called my bank yesterday, and the message gave me a choice of hitting #1 or #2 for English or Spanish. I was not happy. My parents did not speak English when they got here and they had to learn on their own. They had crap jobs and no one ever spoke up for them. We all speak English today and so should everyone else that wants to live in this country. It not easy when you first get here, but who ever told any one that something worth while would be easy.

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2006-04-07          127370

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Peters is right: corn was grown in large quantities in the North East by the indians. Some of the earliest European adventurers who made their way over the appalachian mountains were astounded to see square miles of corn grown by the indians in the ohio river valley. That's a recorded undeniable fact.

I think to deny the fact that indians cultivated the soil in the north east is a bit out of line with the recorded evidence. The fact that Eastern indians didn't settle in one spot is explained by the fact that their poor agrarian skills depleated the soils so that they could not continue to cultivate the same spot for many years. And, of course, hunting being their main occupation, they had to move around to find game as well. The fact that we're arguing about simple basics of our not so distant history is a bad reflection on the education system.

I stand by my assertion that indians were brutal in their warfare practices. We have enough evidence of total massacres including women and children on the American frontiers to substantiate my point. One admirable thing about Indians which distinguished them favorably vs. the whites was that they never raped the women, at worst they abducted them and adopted them into their tribes. I think a re-reading of the Leatherstocking Tales is in order for all of us as a starting point to learn more about the American Indians. More importantly, there are also some interesting first hand accounts of experiences of white settlres with the indians, such as "The Captivity of Mrs. Johnson" written in 1747 by a woman who was kidnapped by indians from Fort. # 4 on the New Hampshire frontier.

"Primitive culture" is a term used to describe the culture of hunters and gatherer's. It should not be viewed as a pejorative term; it's literal meaning is "primal", that is "original", that which preceeded other forms of cultures, such as early agrarian and so forth. I personally do not think modern industrial societies offer any more in terms of happiness to mankind as opposed to the primitive or early agrarian societies. ....

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2006-04-07          127371

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tell that to our beloved president who gave some of his CAMPAIGN SPEACHES in Spanish. And that's a REPUBLICAN president. The city of New York prints their voting ballots in some 7 languages. The US is degenerating into the tower of Babel right in front of our eyes. Like I said somewhere before, the people in the red states don't see the problem in their towns so they don't think it exists, so they're not doing a thing to stop it. I just hope people remember how their senators and congressmen voted on the current immigration bills and vote in November accordingly. ....

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Horse Farmer,

I totally agree. I am originally from CT and now live in Kentucky. In Connecticut, the people, my friends were really for all this stuff that is going on right now and it made me sick on a daily basis. The laws on what you could and could not do on your own property, gun laws, taxes to help to fund programs for people that would not work, etc, etc, etc. They, my friends, said maybe I should get out of CT if I didn’t like it and I did.

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how do you like it in KY? I'm in NJ and it's no better than CT, as far as regulations and interlopers. plenty of petty corruption, too. The only thing I like about where I am is open farmland. I looked at moving to KY, somewhere around Lexington, but the jobs just are not there for someone in my profession. ....

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I love it here in Kentucky. I doubt anything could lure me back to Connecticut. I am still a UCONN fan amongst all the KY fans, but that is OK. You might want to try the Bowling Green area of KY. I don’t know what you are looking for in employment, but BG is growing fast and so are the jobs situations.

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Duke,
Thanks for the tip. I have family commitments here in NJ, but hey, who knows what the future holds. ....

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2006-04-07          127390

Story time

Before the europeans invaded north america the native american tribes made war on each other. One tribe would look around and say that we have too many indians. Lets attack the neighboring tribe we will kill a few of them and they will kill a few of us. We will go back to teepee and smoke the piece pipe give out a few feathers, make a few braves (promotions)and life will go on. This went on for many years.
Then the europeans showed up. One of the tribes said let attack the new guys kill a few, they will kill a few of us smoke the pipe give out feathers, promitions and life goes on. The europeans said after the attack we are not going to play that game. We are going to kill all of you Indians TODAY. Now you know the whole story. ....

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Story time

Before the europeans invaded north america the native american tribes made war on each other. One tribe would look around and say that we have too many indians. Lets attack the neighboring tribe we will kill a few of them and they will kill a few of us. We will go back to teepee and smoke the piece pipe give out a few feathers, make a few braves (promotions)and life will go on. This went on for many years.
Then the europeans showed up. One of the tribes said let attack the new guys kill a few, they will kill a few of us smoke the pipe give out feathers, promitions and life goes on. The europeans said after the attack we are not going to play that game. We are going to kill all of you Indians TODAY. Now you know the whole story. ....

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2006-04-08          127420

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A) How do you know what the societies were like before the european contacted the north american natives? For example they are still trying to decifer what the large mound building societies of the central US were like?
B) It is a pretty big brush you paint hundreds of tongues and nations with. How many have you lived and worked with? I admit my knowledge is limited I have only lived, schooled and worked with the Coast Salish, Cowichan, Squamish, Haida, Tsimshain, Gitzsan, Nuu-Chah-Nulth, Kwakwaka'wakw, Tlingit, Inuit, Iroquois and Algonkins. I can really only address a bit history of these tribes. Most of them were trading nations, only the Haida had a history of raiding like the vikings. A culture of which you and I are likely bred from.

I never said that there was not native conflict. I am just not sure the first two American centuries have been less bloody. Nor was it purely defensive. Certainly not in the Indian wars, Civil War and "Remember the Maine".

WW McKinney voiced her opinion of how she was being treated. Which she now admits was wrong. Delay has a history of blaming all his actions, stating his opinions as fact and blaming his legal mess on others. He has not even retracted his statements concerning Randy Cunningham, although he has plead guilty. To him he is still my friend and good guy. ....

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2006-04-10          127462

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I do not see Delay as ALWAYS saaying this or that and I do not see where he owes anyone an apology, including Randy.
As far as the Press right now, If the President of the United States DECLASSIFIES Classified (not Top Secret, Not Kyrpto) Information, than HOW can anyone declare the results as a LEAK? What wouldbe a leak is when i read in this mornings newspaper"Pentagon is planning an attack on Iran" whether it is true or NOT true, the media should NOT be publishing such info ofr Americans can be killed as a result, it would be like tipping off the Germans that we really were going to attack in Normandy. This happened back in 81 with the Iranian rescue, the nioght before i was watching details on TV about how we were going to go in with Ch-53s and some C-130s and where they were going to land and there was even speculations about deversions. This is NOT News and is not to be published.
I also find it odd that the media can publish anything they want about anybody they want and it is all ok, Dan Rather did just that, as did Michael Moore and so many others, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean etc, but should the WH or any of its staff say something, why then you have a Leak. I don't understand what this is all about when the information was DECLASSIFIED by the President. That means that EVERYONE of lesser may read the documents. So what is the LEAK? Leak about what?
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I wanted to add, McKinney tried to pass thru security and was upset when she was stopped. She tried to act privelaged and NO she was NOT recognozed because she had changed her appearance. The Police were doing their jobs and she seemed to be acted for the sake of attention and more of this Whites hate the blacks crap. DeLay merely pointed out that McKinney had done this many times before and had many times before used the Poor Black Person pity speeches. If the Truth hurts, sorry, no need for an apology if it is True, only if it is not. ....

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There was a reason it was called story time. Laugh a little. ....

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I don't pretend in the least to be an expert on American Indian history, but if your knowledge of Indian history is based on the Indial folklore, rather than on historical and archeological evidence, one may say you only have one half of the story. ....

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