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Thanks engineguy you are right, it look like it has moor then 5000 hrs. I poured some gas into int. & ext. no leaks, then mesured cyl. walls #2 it was .016 over & #3 .011, book sys .010 oversize. I need to call John Deere to find out if I could go .020 and they sale parts for it if not I have to find a used one. They sale a short block for $3300.and I don`t feel like paying for that.

john deere 855 engine problem
Parts and Repair
Replies 13 Post by kazemx

Well, lets see. An amish farmer had use some local field
stone, rather than the cultured stone found in the stores. Put that about 4 feet up and then used t&g cedar attached vertical above that. Looked great. A nice touch could be for the cement in the 4x12 area may be to try the exposed aggregate finish. Or lay cobblestone or brick like is seen on some of the old city streets. Drive around the country and borrow some ideas. Theres nothing like some of the old dutch and german barns still standing.

finishing touches on barn
Barns Pole Barns
Replies 6 Post by danputtputt

skyraider, was that a BLUE top-n-tilt kit? When I looked at a TC33 NH didn't offer a factory kit and the dealer offered to fabricate one for me for around that price. I know you could install an aftermarket TnT kit on a green machine for a lot less than factory prices.

top and tilt have to unhook to use loader
John Deere Tractors
Replies 20 Post by kwschumm

We are not planing on putting a loader on this tractor. It will be used to spray a cherry orchard. There are 3 just like it in an up coming auction in my area.

Value of Kubota M8200
Kubota Tractors
Replies 4 Post by CherryKubota

bvance, I don't think anyone blamed Norton for the problem related in this thread. Yes, NAV mostly works, but other products work better.

You're right, Symantec has lots of corporate customers - customers that have big budgets and IT staffs that are paid to fix problems and restore from backups. But there are better products. In my experience you could install AVG on almost any Norton protected internet connected computer and find viruses that NAV missed. But, hey, that's the corporate IT staffs responsibility. For home users a more reliable product is called for. IMHO of course, you're free to disagree and use and recommend whatever you want.

ATTACKED IP from Google on TP
Website Operations Howto
Replies 26 Post by kwschumm

Last year I done a total make over of our front yard,you know the drill,round-up to kill the old grass, weeds etc. Had the soil tested and the ph level came in at 4.1 so the county agent recommend that I add about 1000 lbs. of powered lime to raise the ph level for the size of lawn and type of grass (centipede) that I would be putting in. The soil here in coastal Ga. is very poor and high in acid but it's great for growing pine trees and azaleas. I added the lime,till the soil,removed roots leveled and installed a irrigation system.We had centipede sod installed and the result was a beautiful lawn. Lots of hard work and lots of time. This year I have another yard about the same size that needs to be redone and I'm thinking about Hydro Seeding,my question is has anyone here tried hydro seeding and what kind of results. It seems quick and a lot less work and money.<br>
Thanks, Headhog

Hydro Seeding
Garden and Landscape
Replies 3 Post by headhog

Hello everyone ,<br>
I saw something differant today, It looked strange , but thinking about it , there must be several good uses for it.<br>
On a compact JD , mounted on the 3 point , a large furnace squirl cage blower !!! It is shooting off to the left side of the tractor. The only use that I can see in this area would be for blowing leaves.<br>
Oh , I didn`t mention , the blower is powered by the tractor pto.<br>
Differant subject ,or question , Where`s the info for HOW TO post pics ?? Thanks , Have a good Spring , Beetle Bailey

3 pt Blower
Just For Fun Off Topic
Replies 4 Post by beetlebailey

You might check out a KIOTI CK25, you can get a full featured 25 HP 4wd tractor (bare) for less than the figure you mention. suspension seat, tilt sterring, up to the minute style, quick release lift arms, crank style leveling, folding rops, all standard. Two year full warranty, OH and synchro shuttle shift to boot.
Another choice might be a FArmtrac (long) 270DTC, again a shuttle shift with Daedong (KIOTI) engine. 3 year powertrain warranty.
You can get good service out of a JInma (including Nortrac) tractors, they are not as nice to run as a synchro shuttle tractor, but will save you money for equipment and attachments so may be more useful in the end. I sell the brands I mention here as well as the Farm Pro/Jinma line. If I thought I wouldn't use a tractor over 50 to 100 hours a year, didn't mind making an occasional repair from time to time and if my budget was tight, I would probably lean toward the Chinese tractor. Parts support is good and there is a strong informal owner group offering on line support for users, 24-7 as well.
Local dealer would be a big plus if you have on on any brand of tractor you consider.

There are many excellent choices in compact tractors today, in a variety of colors!

what type of tractor is best
Jinma Farmpro Agracat Nortrac
Replies 7 Post by chipuren

If the wheels are on the ground you are definitly cutting way too low. They are just to keep it from scalping, not ment to roll all the time. Kind of like the front wheel on my 52 scag. My Great Dane Zero turn also has side wheels and they never touch the ground other than on a of canter slope or mound.

need opinions on bx cutting decks
Kubota Tractors
Replies 11 Post by cthonestguy

Anyone know how many hours you can expect from these newer style twin cyliners gas jobs? I have a 22hp Kohler Command on my 52" Great Dane Zero turn. It's been kept up and still runs like new. I heard you can pull 3,000 hours out of these engines if you change the oil on time. Anyone up that high?<br>
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I've had plenty of "K" series Kohlers last for ever. My 1986 wheel horse 414-8 14 horse still runs like the day I bought it in 1985. Not too sure about the "cast iron lined" ones?

Kohler 22 hp Command gas job engine
Parts and Repair
Replies 6 Post by cthonestguy

I was refering to the property, there was a B-6200 which would be the B-7410 today.

BX vs TZ question
Operating and Attachments
Replies 8 Post by Art White

ROPS , seatbelts and lots of other stuff are in place because of stupid people doing stupid things. I just watched America's Funniest Videos with the kids and if I did 1/2 the stuff these dopes did the last thing I would do is have it on ABC primetime sunday night.<br>
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It's a shame people get killed but the old saying is true, "Guns aren't dangerous, stupid people with guns are dangerous"

Laws mandating Roll Bars on old tractors
Kubota Tractors
Replies 6 Post by cthonestguy

$7500.00 seems like a bit much, $4000.00 to $5500 seem like a much more reasonable price, at least out here on the west coast.

Massey Ferguson 235
Massey Ferguson Tractors
Replies 4 Post by jstorey13

In this story there is a guy who said he developed a engine cut off switch. Whether or not it is a good idea to have no power when in trouble may be debateable but it is a good read anyway.

Tractor troubles
Families lobby for rollover protection
FOREST TOWNSHIP
THE FLINT JOURNAL FIRST EDITION
Sunday, March 20, 2005
By Robert Snell

Recent area rollover tractor deaths include:
Feb. 13, 2005: Richard Serrels, 32, of Forest Township died after the 1951 Ford tractor he was operating flipped while hauling a tree from the woods behind his house.

April 21, 2002: Daniel Shepp, 31, of Flushing was killed and his 2-year-old son injured when their tractor flipped backward as the father tried to pull out a large bush in Clayton Township.

Oct. 10, 1998: Charles Eldred, 48, of Linden died when a log he was pulling became entangled, causing the 1950 Ford tractor he was driving to flip on top of him.

How tractor fatalities happen

Tractors can roll sideways when riding along ditches or flip backward when trying to pull heavy loads or if they are stuck on something. Newer tractors have roll bars, seat belts and cabs that cradle drivers during rollovers.

Where to get help
The National Farm Medicine Center has an Internet guide that lets farmers see if rollover systems are available for various tractors. Visit www2.marshfieldclinic.
All tractors sold today are required to have safety equipment installed.

Safety tips

To reduce rollover risks:
Avoid sharp turns and reduce speed when turning.

Avoid driving on steep embankments, near ditches and holes.

Hitch loads to a drawbar. Many rollovers happen when loads are hitched to axles.

FOREST TWP. - Relatives stashed the old red tractor deep in the woods, deep enough so that Gretchen Serrels couldn't see it.

Serrels wanted it destroyed - retribution, really, against a machine that killed her husband, Richard, 32, in a Feb. 13 rollover accident.

Spurred by Richard Serrels' death, three families linked by the tragic bond of surviving loved ones who were killed in tractor rollovers are uniting to raise safety standards and awareness of old tractors and rollover accidents.

All three men died while riding old tractors that flipped over on them. The tractors are common because they are durable and inexpensive - costing about $1,400, compared to new tractors that can run $15,000 and up.

But old tractors that lack seat belts and rollbars are taking a toll on farmers who are dying in preventable rollover accidents, experts say.

Reports indicate tractor accidents kill more than 300 farmers annually, more than half due to rollovers,. More than 34 people have died in Michigan from tractor accidents since 2001.

But only about a third of the tractors in the U.S. have rollover protection, according to a 2002 Iowa State University study.

"If nothing is done, you'll be writing about someone else (dying)," said Steve Dawes of Flushing, whose brother-in-law, Daniel Shepp, was killed in 2002.

The solution is a rollbar system that comes standard on tractors built since the mid-1970s. Many older tractors can be retrofitted with seat belts and rollbars, but doing so can cost up to $1,000 - in some cases, an option more expensive than the tractor itself.

State Rep. John Gleason, D-Flushing, spurred by a promise to the late father of one victim, is drafting legislation that would mandate rollbars for every tractor made before the 1970s. The bill could be introduced next month.

"It's incredibly frustrating," said Marc Schenker, chairman of the Public Health Sciences Department at the University of California-Davis. "Unlike so many other things where we don't have a solution, here we have one."

Dying words

Daniel Shepp was conscious after the tractor flipped and pinned him to the ground.

"Get my boy," he told the first people to reach him.

His 2-year-old son, Austin, had been riding in his lap after Shepp hitched a chain tied to the back of an old tractor to a lilac bush at his in-laws' property in Clayton Township.

As the tractor pulled, the bush didn't budge and lifted the tractor's nose in the air.

It was already too late.

Relatives believe Shepp, 31, a pipefitter from Flushing, had time to hurl his son free from the tractor, saving the boy's life.

Shepp's relatives want to return the favor by alerting farmers and rural residents who use old tractors as all-purpose vehicles.

"If we can save one family from going through losing their high school sweetheart, someone whose two boys will grow up without a father," said Dawes, 45.

Through the grief and heartache of Shepp's death, his relatives refused to sit idly by while people continued to die.

"Tell people how dangerous they are," said Shepp's widow, Larissa, 32. "People need to be educated."

Shepp's sister, Sue Dawes of Flushing, has been removed from stores that sell old tractors after asking salespeople if they told potential buyers about the safety risks. She often knocks, uninvited, on doors leading from driveways where farmers peddle antique tractors.

Dawes, 46, wants to give people the information her brother never had about the vehicle's dangers.

"He didn't know," she said. "That's what he was guilty of."

Before Shepp's father, Robert, died in May, a day after he was diagnosed with lung cancer, Gleason promised that he would push for a law mandating rollbars on old tractors.

"They just roll over too easy," Gleason said. "The most important thing is to make sure if they roll over, that the driver is protected."

He acknowledged the law might be tough to enforce, but it would be similar to helmet and seat belt laws.

"I'm going to push this as absolutely hard as I can," Gleason said.

One tractor safety expert said Gleason's campaign is a welcome but misguided attempt to make tractors safer. Instead, he said, victims' families should push for greater public awareness.

"The problem is not necessarily the equipment," said Howard Doss, a retired Michigan State University farm-safety specialist. "The problem has to do with the casual buyer-operator."

Many risks, one solution

There are many ways to die on a tractor.

Holes and stumps can hobble tractors traveling at higher speeds. Sudden turns and steep inclines kill, and sideways rollovers are common when riding along ditches. Hitching loads to the rear of a tractor can pull it backwards, crushing farmers underneath.

A combination of lax safety rules and a farm culture in which risk is accepted as much as rain and sun is leading to more deaths, safety experts said.

"There is a tradition of assuming risk," Schenker said. "This is a hazard, and it's the way my father and grandfather did it."

Rollover risks have been minimized on most new tractors that feature so-called rollover protective structures. The safety equipment includes two- and four-post frames, seat belts and cabs that cradle drivers during rollovers.

In 1976, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration required all new tractors be equipped with rollover devices. But the requirement only covers farms with more than 11 employees.

Overseas, Sweden has nearly eliminated rollover deaths. From 1984-90, less than one farmer a year died after the government instituted regulations mandating rollover protection, according to the country's Center for Product Safety.

About 93 percent of Swedish tractors have some type of rollover protection. Schenker wants to see the United States follow suit, suggesting farmers could receive tax credits for adding rollbars to tractors.

The Michigan Farm Bureau encourages rollover protection, but it does not believe the devices should become mandatory, said Legislative Counsel Jim Miller.

"We feel people can evaluate their own situations," he said.

Victims' families disagree.

Two of the three men who died - Serrels and Shepp - had little experience operating the machines and were driving borrowed tractors.

Both made fatal mistakes, experts said, when they hitched loads to the back of the tractor.

Charles Eldred of Linden made the same mistake, though he had considerably more experience operating his 1950 Ford tractor. This man's death illustrates how a fluke can prove fatal.

A General Motors technician and father of three, Eldred was pulling a tree out of some woods on Oct. 10, 1998. While dragging the log across a meadow near Silver Lake and South Seymour roads in Argentine Township, it snagged on a root the size of a thumb.

The tractor flipped and pinned Eldred, 48, to the ground. The crash broke his back, and Eldred, a safety-conscious man who relatives said knew the tractor's limits, died alone in the field.

"There was no getting away from that one," said son Brad Eldred, 34, who found his father's body.

Spurred by his father's death, Brad Eldred and a Mott Community College professor invented a kill switch that shorts a tractor's ignition if the front end lifts off the ground or approaches a steep incline.

"I just didn't want to see it happen to anyone else," he said.

He hoped the inexpensive device would be added to old Ford tractors, but he was rebuffed after approaching the company, he said.

Like Shepp's family, the Eldreds were repulsed when they learned of the Forest Township fatality. If nothing more, they want to reach at least one family and prevent future deaths.

"We see it again and again and again," said Diane Eldred. "We have a problem. If we can just get the word out and some of these people just listen ..."

Coming homeAs with the other families, Richard Serrels' death provided a grim introduction to the dangers of tractors.

"I had no clue that was even a possibility," wife Gretchen Serrels said. "I don't think he even had a clue there were dangers like that."

Police found the General Motors senior product engineer pinned to the ground on private property along N. Henderson Road, south of Willard Road.

The 1951 Ford tractor flipped backward while Serrels, 32, was hauling a tree from the woods behind his house. Serrels had hitched a rope around the tree to the back of the tractor.

The tractor flipped, and the steering wheel pinned him to the ground, suffocating him, police said.

The tractor is no longer hidden in the woods behind the Serrels home. It was returned to the relatives who loaned it to her husband, although Gretchen had other plans for it.

"I wanted to pay for it and have it destroyed," she said. "I didn't want anybody to have it."

Roll over advice
Parts and Repair
Replies 8 Post by brokenarrow

BROKEN,,(more now than ever LOL) clean up what? I wish you all the best luck,,it was such a strong company,,it seems a shame FIAT is doing that to us in the USA!

CNH goes Back to work
New Holland Tractors
Replies 4 Post by jamese

Reason number 7,436 that liberalism is a mental disease, not a political point of view.

RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONES SELF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT, BUTT OUT!

Tractor Roll Over Safety
Parts and Repair
Replies 52 Post by AV8R

I have heard of the epoxy based floor paints, but never as "aircraft hangar" floor paint. Most hangars I have been in have bare concrete, with oil stains for decoration.

Okay, one is carpeted (really) but that's just a little silly.

Advice on building a shop
Barns Pole Barns
Replies 24 Post by AV8R

Tire manufacturers recommend weights instead of fluid filling mostly because the fluid changes the way the tire interacts with the ground.

Also, depending on what you use to fill the tire, it can ruin the wheel over time due to corrosion. After messing with some older tractors with filled tires, I said never, ever when it is my choice.

Weights are more expensive but better overall.

Good luck,
Bill

New to blue Tire choice
New Holland Tractors
Replies 19 Post by BillMullens

It looks to me like the dealer is playing the numbers game with you. $8,000 for the L245DT TLB is HIGH. Corrspondingly, he is selling the 4410 high as well. You need to get down to real numbers and find out what your L245 is really worth or better yet, sell it outright yourself and then pay cash or work you best deal on the 4410. The price for the 4410 is outrageous for an ePower Reverser. It might be more in line if it was an eHydro model but even then I think that price is too high with the eHydro on a used machine in my opinion.

I my opinion a 1982 L245DT with FEL & hoe might be worth somewhere is the $5,500 to $6,500 range if in good condition.

The 4410 is worth around $15,500

430 FEL w/HD bucket is worth around $3,200 to $3,400

The 47 hoe around $6,800

$25,700 for the 4410 package minus the $6,500
gets you to $19,200 out the door. Don't count on getting $6,500 for trade in on the L245. I traded my L245 in on my 4410 almost 3 years ago with a buddy selling me the machine. He gave me $4,500 for my L245 equipped with an L1200 FEL and L590 RFM which was not exactly a peach either and I thought he was giving me a gift.

Just wanted to give you some ideas and figures to work with and consider. I think you can do MUCH better than the deal you are currently being offered.
cook these numbers and

John Deere 4410
John Deere Tractors
Replies 21 Post by Chief

$5750.00, not bad considering I've had it two years and only paid $3600.00 for it.

What is it worth Anyone please
Kubota Tractors
Replies 6 Post by jschauml