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Farmgirl
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2002-02-12          35521


This is a cross post from the JD Owner/Buyer forum. Should have gone here first maybe.

We are looking to buy a trailer for our 1990 JD 1070. It has a model 80 loader on it. What weight requirements do you recommend. I've read your post and it is full of info but wanted to make sure it applied to our tractor as well.

Thanks for the help.
Leslie




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Dana Trumpp
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2002-02-12          35529


Do you know the tractor and loader weights? I would think you would need a 10K GVW trailer. If your tractor is over 82" wide you will have to go to a deck over trailer. ....


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2002-02-12          35532


I have a 20 foot long by 8.5 foot wide homemade trailer. That I tow my 970 on, with a loader and 6 foot brush hog attached and decent tongue weight the tail wheel completely hangs over the back. You can avoid this situation if you have flatbed truck of course. dont go over 10,000gross trailer weight capacity if you dont want to get CDL. ....


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Farmgirl
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2002-02-12          35538


We know the tractor weighs 3000 according to the specs but do not know the loader weigh. The loader is a model JD 80. The tractor and loader are each 5' wide.

Wow, that is good info about the 10,000 gross weight. We don't want to get CDL's.

We will try to find out how much the loader weighs.

Thanks

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Dana Trumpp
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2002-02-12          35539


I have a 18' dovetail-16' bed 2' dovetail and 8'6" wide, 82" between the fenders. It has 2 5k axles and empty weight is about 2500 LBS.
3K tractor
1K loader appox.
4K total with 2500 LBS trailer puts you at 6500 GVW on trailer now this gives you 3500 lbs for extra equipment, provide it would be a plus for you. If not a 7K trailer would work for you aswell. Look at some trailers above and below. make up your own mind.
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Peters
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2002-02-12          35542


When you get into this weight range you need to check all the components you have. You need trailer brakes. You need 10,000 gvw hitch components, most hitches, recievers and balls are not rated this high. You do not want to pull with a 3500lb 2 inch ball a 10,000 gvw trailer.
If you are pulling regularly I would consider a goose neck trailer. They are easier to pull and manuver.
I have a trailer similar to Dana's. It will handle your tractor but I would not load on too much additional equipment. Once you go beyond this size you need to change out all the other components as most hitches and recievers are not rated that high.
My truck is rated for 12000 gvw but I would need to change recievers and balls to go that high on the bumper. My goose neck is no problem. ....


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Farmgirl
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2002-02-13          35565


I'll pass this info along to hubby.

We have a 97 Ram 4 x 4 with the heavy duty towing package on it so it should handle the load just fine on a trailer like Dana has. We have just purchased a Bush Hog finish mower that would also fit if we needed it to. We have a permanent topper on the truck (to heavy to take on and off) so a goose neck would not work for us.

Probably wouldn't be hauling much. Only to the shop for necessary things. Hopefully not many.lol

We'll check out some trailer places around here and see what we can find.

Thanks for all the info. I'll post back when we get one.

Peters, Good luck with your new Ram. Watch out for Transmission problems though.

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2002-02-13          35571


Farmgirl
I don't think you will have any problems with the trailer and the weight of the tractor if you look close. You might look at the other my other post to review what you are looking for in a trailer, tires etc. I have hauled a Ford 4000 on mine which is slightly heavier than yours with no problem.
I would look for the 3500lb axels on the trailer. If possible I would buy a trailer with the slide in ramps. My ramps tilt up and with the wind resistance the gas milage is the same unloaded as loaded.
I realize the 5 speed in the Dodge has a flaw. The 5th gear keeper ring is light and sides out necessitating the removal and repair. The truck is drivable but no 5th. I have not had any problems yet. I am not sure what the story is on the 6 speed yet. I guess I don't buy blind.
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Doug Hiatt
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2002-02-13          35575


Whatever you buy, make sure you at least buy a trailer with a 10,000 lbs. gvw. You wear the spring bushings out in about 2 years of normal use. I have a 14,000 lb. gvw. on my trailer. You can haul just about anything. And you don't need a CDL! You only need a CDL if the trailer, load, and tow vehicle are over 26,000 lbs. But you do need a brake control on the tow vehicle if the trailer is over 3,000 lbs. ....


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2002-02-13          35576


I agree with doug. I live in Maine and you only need a CDL if the vehicle your driving, or vehicle plus towing is 26,000 or over. Trailers 3000lb GVW and over must have brakes on each axle. I like and have a deck-over trailer because if one wants to put the rear tires in the wide position or have chains on the rear tires one cannot fit in-between the fenders of a regular trailer. My 2 cents,

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2002-02-13          35581


I'm thinking of getting a trailer for my tractor, too. Everything I've seen and read leads me toward getting a 7,000# GVW trailer (two 3500# axles) with a full floor. I'm thinking it'll be great for the tractor as well as moving any other vehicles or just about anything else. ....


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2002-02-14          35594


forgot to CMA, need CDL in Mich. ....


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2002-02-14          35600


Every state is different in term of regulations. I don't even need to register a farm trailer and you can tow a trailer behind a trailer in AL.
With the dove tail on the trailer, you can carry cars on you equipment trailer, but you need to watch loading and unloading as you may high center. You can not have side rails unless removable or you can not get out of the doors.

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2002-02-15          35615


It's very easy to jam a caged backhoe into the ground and damage it when trailering a backhoe mounted tractor. The problem is how far back and low the hoe sits in comparison to the steepness of the loading ramp.

I don't know which type ramps are better, but I think a loading dock dug into the side of a hill is best, or at least a sizable hole for the trailer wheels to sit in. I know I did drag my hoe going up a dove-tail on a 40' float trailer, which of course is higher than a light truck trailer. I knew it might happen so I was going very slow, and no damage resulted. Coming off a trailer is where the damage usually happens. One of the advantages of a 3ph mounted hoe is that it’s easy to disable the 3ph lockdown and lift the hoe, which is what I did.
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2002-05-29          39158


Looking at dump trailer that will double as an equipment traler for my Ford 1310 (or an old 1 ton dump w/ an equipment trailer). Anyone have any knowledge of dump tralers, price range, good or bad manufacturers?? Thanks for time & help. ....


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2002-05-30          39177


I think that trailer manufacture is pretty regionalized. It's something that large welding and fabrication shops could get into. I'm not sure if any brand name is highly recognized and has something like a dealer network. Might be different for aluminum trailers though.

There's a trailer manufacturer around here who will build anything wanted, but they usually have an inventory of ‘ready-mades’ on their lot. Pretty much anybody who wants a new trailer buys directly from them. I guess the manufacturer is the brand name but you'd probably never hear it outside this region. There aren't any dealers. I think I'd start looking in the yellow pages under 'trailer manufacturers.'
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2002-05-30          39179


Unless you are going to be towing it daily for a lot of miles I don't see where you need more than a 7000lb trailer. That will give you the extra that you need. I do not like the landscape ramps as stated earlier as they do produce a lot of wind drag. Brakes are a must and on both axles. The deck over has it's advatages and disadvantages for the deck height, lower is better for stability but can be a problem if to low for ground clearence. ....


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2002-05-30          39195


Trailer World (chain) had dump trailers from Big Tex and Bri-Mar. You could get a bumper pull with a 16 ft bed for 3.5-4.5K. They had nice tie downs in the box and ramps that slide under the box. The original dump trailer manufacturer's were much more money than that and I would not say better quality than the Bri-Mar.
The Goose neck are nearly 2x that price for the same size. I good equipment tailer, new tires and brakes are some where in the 1.5K range.
Don't go with the light channel landscaping trailers they don't stand up to the weight of tractors. ....


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Jim on Timberridge
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2002-05-31          39216


I trailered a 1070 w FEL, 4x110# rear wheel weights, and an implement on the 3pt (could have been a blade, soil pulverizer, etc -- usually around 150# to 400#). Then i went to a 4700 with same attachments.
Used a car haul trailer -- dual axles of 3500#, 16' with 82" width, wood planck floor, 2" ball, passenger car tires, detachable ramps, behind a F150.

The trailering was 20 miles max maybe 8 trips max per year.
I got by. But the load was probably 5500#, more than what the trailer or the truck was suited for. Had to be real careful to get the load positioned on the trailer properly to avoid fishtailing. Drove <45 mph, etc.
Any greater usage would necessitate a bigger trailer for sure. My rear wheel positioning is wide (position 5 of 8),and they were a squeeze to fit between the wheel fenders.
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2002-05-31          39217


Jim, you reminded me of the different trailers I've used and how things work. I bought a boat and brought it home and had a fishing trip planned 3 hours away. When going over the trailer, which mind you towed home fine, I found the tires showed some dry rot. So off tire shopping I go, could not find anything but a fellow told me he would sell me the same size car tires for a good price, I did, and I have since put the right tires on it as it was all over the road just like you. Every divit, crack, or bump and off it would go swaying all over. The larger trailer, like an 18 foot deck will allow you to room to better position the load. I'd haul your JD on a 7000lb trailer as you weigh in at about 5000lbs unless your tires are loaded with out fear of overload. Mind you I do this with a 1/2 ton dodge with four wheel drive. I also use 10000gvw deck overs at 18 foot flat pulling L-48 Kubota's and often for 45 miles at a wack. Just reminds me of driving a tractor trailer with a 250 horse Cummins and a 13 speed with 70000gvw. I do hope to get the brake valve hooked up soon as it does get a bit touchy on hills. ....


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2002-05-31          39221


There's a place in Manchester, Tx that will build you a 16' tandum axle trailer for $625.00. I believe it's called Coble Trailers. The tires aren't very good but for that price you can afford to buy new ones.

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