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treeman
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2001-02-22          24550


Does anyone know of grapples being made for tractor loaders? Bobcat makes a ind. grapple for their skid loaders. I plan on clearing out over 2000 12-16' scotch pines. They have about 6" trunks. I think it would pay for its self with this job! thanx lance



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2001-02-22          24552


Carver Equipment show two different ones at their website. See link below. ....


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2001-02-22          24561


Hey Treeman, as a fellow treeman of sorts you might want to check out Woods' offerings. I have my small machines setup with Kasco skid steer bucket adapter, I have the Woods SG Scrap Grapple Bucket in 66 inch. They also have grapple forks for ag purposes. I run the cylinders off of the 3rd valve next to the operator's seat. Blue Diamond is a less expensive alternative. Here is Woods link: ....


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2001-02-23          24577


I'm trying to get the idea in mind and learn something at the same time. I don't know if the idea is to make firewood by chain sawing the logs to length where they fall (pretty good idea since skidded logs are hard on saw blades). If so, then the lengths wold fit inside a bucket and a grapple seems like it would be a big help. A grapple also seems like a big help if the idea is to use the loader to load logs onto a trailer. If the idea is to take full-length logs out of the woods crosswise on the bucket, then I'm not so sure. A logging trail wider than most would be needed. In addition, some grapples may not open wide enough to clamp many logs at a time on top of the bucket, or logs of very large diameter. An alternative way of thinking about it might be that the cost of a grapple would go a long way towards buying a logging winch, which might be more generally useful--at least for me. I'd probably use the winch for skidding the logs and pulling them out of wet and otherwise impassable ground. A winch might also be very useful for taking down plantation Scotch Pines, which I believe are famous not falling down. ....


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2001-02-23          24579


To explain why I am cutting 2,000 scotch pine down, I bought a Christmas tree farm and the scotch pine are diseased. The blue spruce, fraiser fir, white pine, etc., are all okay. I am not cutting trees down for Christmas trees, I'm letting them grow. So I want to get the scotch pine out and burn them before everything else gets diseased. Some diseases like needlecast thrive on lack of ventilation so if I take the scotch pine sections out, more air will get to the other trees. And yes, it will be a giant burning pile! Thank you so much for the replies on where I can find a grapple. I look at this site almost every day and it has loads of information. Thanks again, Lance. ....


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2001-02-23          24580


You should consider a Brush Brute to remove the pines,(incuding the roots), since pines have a shallow root structure. I have removed Pines and Hemlocks easily this way. You should also put Duo-link style chains, (not ladder chains), on all four wheels.
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2001-02-23          24581


Anthony, I just ordered a Brush Brute (BB52) this morning for my 35hp JD 4400. The JD dealer is going to weld up a Quik-Tach setup for my 430 loader. Could you please elaborate on your experience with the BB? The good, the bad, and the ugly. What capabilities can I reasonably expect with poplar and birch saplings up to 2"? How about juniper bushes? Anything would help because I'm a little nervous about shelling out big bucks for an implement I haven't tried out yet. ....


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2001-02-23          24584


with my b2400hsd and ~47in bucket I used to cut the tree down and then cut it to the lengths that would just fit into the loader. Depending on the size either one or many logs will fit into one bucket. I stack them this way too until time to go to the splitter then the chainsaw comes out to cut to the final size. My woodstove took 24" pieces so this worked out perfectly.
I've seen the Long grapplers in use and they seem pretty tough.
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2001-02-23          24605


Treeman, a couple of observations, first, I don't know where you are located, but around here the quantity of wood you are talking about is approx. $5,000 worth of firewood. Secondly, if you are in a 'plantation setting' surely you wouldn't remove the stumps, since the live stump and one branch would give you a marketable tree 4-5 years from now. Third and finally, if it is something like needlecast which can only survive on a living tree, why wouldn't you just get a chipper, the mulch will return a lot of valuable nutrients to the soil and do a LOT to keep the undergrowth down. Best of luck. ....


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2001-02-26          24705


I don't want to speak incorrectly for treeman here, but i think he just wants to get rid of the scotch pine and let the rest of the trees grow naturally, not harvest them as christmas trees. murf-where are you located so that you can get so much ca$h for pine? on the ma/vt/nh border good hardwood is the only valuable firewood...maybe treeman could haul his harvest to wherever you are and make a killing! chipping is a worthwhile option to consider as well, although 6" might be a bit thick. perhaps there's local college in need of materials for a bonfire? :) ....


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2001-02-27          24743


Well said Ben. Here in WI Pine is not used much for wood burning. We burn hardwoods such as Oak,and Hickory. Believe me, I hate anything going to waste, especially enough heat to heat a small town. ....


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2001-02-27          24748


If you plan to burn the pine, I'd check local regs if you haven't already done so. The regs might affect your planning. Around here, you can't do a burn without a permit, and the regular permit season closes in early spring. Special permits are hard to get and require a bunch of procedural stuff like the presence of fire marshals throughout the burn. Anyway, we ended paying for 16 dump truck loads to the landfill because we couldn’t get a building demolition done in time. Of course, sometimes volunteer fire departments want to practice and will do an entire burn themselves, mostly old houses, but that’s an option to keep in mind. I might be a bit envious of living in an area where pine has no value for firewood. The choice among local wood here is birch, poplar or a conifer--not enough maple to speak of. I imagine that everybody would prefer to burn maple, but maple here is an import from 50 or more miles south. Pine definitely has value for firewood. Quite a few friends heat mostly with the leavings from logging operations. ....


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