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 06-12-2002, 13:46 Post: 39504
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According to my Yanmar owners manual it states to only use genuine Yanmar oil filters because it has a special bypass valve. Is anyone using any non-Yanmar oil filters. If so, have you had any problems.

I would like to know if there is any truth to the statement made in my owners manual.

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 06-12-2002, 17:38 Post: 39511
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I have come to a conclusion after reading the opinions on this board, especially those of some of the well educated folks like Dr. Peters. Spending that extra buck and a half once or twice a year for the recommended filter is damn cheap insurance, especially when balanced against any risk of engine damage.






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 09-17-2002, 00:24 Post: 42519
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I've been using NAPA and FRAM oil and hydrolic filters for my Yanmar 180D (18 hr 4wd) since it was new. I was the original owner and I've changed to oil filter at least times using NAPA or FRAM filters.

In my opinion buying YANMAR FILTERS just adds to the cost.

Before using the FRAM FILTERS I wrote FRAM and they replied using their filters would work fine.

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 09-17-2002, 11:03 Post: 42535
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Jimmy, I haven't heard anyone say bad things about Napa. There are some stories in the archives about collapsed Framís and engine damage. Some folks who disassemble and test oil filters have said that Fram changed the product (made it cheaper) to meet Wal-Martís price ceiling.
I have a flyer on my desk offering genuine Toyota oil filters ďapproved and engineered element with an anti-drain back valveĒ for $4.99 for my Tundra and my Camry. And I have to drive past the Toyota dealer to get to Wal-Mart.
Iíll probably use 5 filters in the next 4 years for each car and I am averaging about 60 hours a year on the tractor so far, so if I change the oil at 100 hours like it says in the book, or go 150 hours with Deereís semi-synthetic as they now suggest, I am buying a filter every two years. I canít find any significant savings in non-OEM filters around my house. Iíll stick with my statements above.






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 09-17-2002, 16:13 Post: 42545
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I've been around this world for a while now, seen lots of tractors.........I have never heard of a confirmed bad filter problem about any brand of filter. Iv'e heard rumers, and witness personally accusations of disatsified customers of many filter brands.....But never have seen evidence that supported the accusations or the rumors.

I was involved in a case involveing a Baldwin brand air filter on a J D engine. And accusations were made, as the selling dealer of the tractor, we were caught in the middle.
Thank God we have a few Techs in our shop with cool heads, and the nack for solveing mysteries....turns out, the cust. performs all his own P.M. and the tech on the overhaul job found part of an old seal stuck to the inside of the air filter canister that prevented a good seal......problem solved.....he even had the presence of mine to leave the old seal parts in tact until the cust..and Baldwin's folks to see it.

No bad filter.........just bad home service.....






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 09-17-2002, 17:29 Post: 42547
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I have seen good and better filters. I will repeat what I look for in a filter. I inspect the inside of the filter for the amount of media, the depth and the number of pleats in the filter media. It is difficult to check the quality of the media unless I cut the filter and check the pore size and distribution on a porometer, which I don't have at my disposal right now.
Next I check the quality of the seal. I prefer the silicon seals, buna-N can deteriate in hot oil and can be attacked by diesel oil.
Finally I check the can thickness and the construction.
I do not normally buy OEM, my last purchase was the STP's. For the Diesel truck they are the same as Mobil 1 at 3x the price. I checked the Fram again which has increased quality since Allied Signal merged with Honeywell.
My recommendation to a Yanmar owner is to travel the the JD dealer and use their filters if the Yanmar are expensive. I buy the JD at near 3 dollars and I am sure that they will meet Yanmar specs.
Incidently I am less than impressed with the MF/Agco filters, at least for my old tractor.






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 09-18-2002, 08:52 Post: 42568
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Am I guilty of reading between the lines? I think Eric just said there was a time when, in his educated and valued opinion, the quality of Fram oil filters (or as George Foreman sez..oall filters) took a big dump. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the prosecution rests, or at least goes back to the kitchen for another cup of morning coffee.






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 09-18-2002, 08:58 Post: 42569
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I think the history of Fram goes:

Ford Autolite

thenspin off to
Bendix

then spin off to
Allied Signal

Allied Signal / Honeywell Merger Now part of
Honeywell

I am positive about Allied Signal and Honeywell as current and prior. I used to work at Allied.

I do think in all of these transitions with profitabilityan issue cost reduction/Market share growth became very important.

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Hey dENNIS, you turned into me again!






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 09-18-2002, 10:19 Post: 42572
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The same thing happened to Smith & Wesson in the 70ís and 80ís. They got passed around the corporate world like a cheap cigar and the finest revolvers in the world became somewhat flawed in terms of quality. For a while there everyone was chewing on their backside, even the president (note the small p) of the united states. So I guess if S&W can return from the grave, which they have, and are now producing the finest, most accurate revolvers in their history, maybe Fram can resurrect itself too. It would be useful to get the straight dope on the improvements to the product line though.






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