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 07-08-2003, 10:34 Post: 59135
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Does or has anyone here ever owned one of the derringers that shoot 410 shells ? I have also seen tiny 22's that look like revolvers. I guess I should have called this strand " smallest CCW possible."






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 07-08-2003, 11:28 Post: 59139
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I think referring to the "belt buckle pistols" they are really small and actually mount to a western style belt buckle. They are also REAL dangerous as they have NO trigger guard. DOC, if you want a great pocket pistol, buy a Walther PP in 32 ACP. Great pistols that take less room than a wallet.






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 07-08-2003, 11:56 Post: 59145
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My brother has the Walther PP in 32 and loves it. He hasn't carried anything else since he bought it. correction: After e-mailing my brother it is not a Walther that he has, but a North American Arms .32 Black and Gold he tells me it's smaller than the PP.






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 07-08-2003, 12:19 Post: 59146
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I just got rid of a Walther that was a totall piece of #%^ ! It was one of the new ones made by smith for Walther (PPKS). I see no benefit of the 32 when the 380 is essentially the same size. I wouldnt exactly call either of theese real small (heavy). I do remember some small Colts though they are no longer made. Kel tec makes a tiny 32 but it would probably make my junk bin real quick too. I need to find a small 22 for concealed carry in the summer. I do like the older WEalthers as they are real pieces of work but I would not subject one to daily carry, too large for what I am after now anyhow.






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 07-08-2003, 13:16 Post: 59149
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The Beretta Model 21 in 22 Long Rifle might be what you're looking for, Doc.






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Billy, as much as I love Berreta firearms the model 21 is in my opinion a very poor choice for anyone for a self defense weapon. This is do to cycleing problems from the cartridge rim. Likely a problem in any 22 auto. The beretta is probably the best of the bunch though. Even a 22 revolver is bigger than what I want. I am really after a 22 mag double barrel derringer with 2" barrels.






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 07-08-2003, 14:36 Post: 59154
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My cousin has one and really likes it. He's never had any problems with it.

If you're wanting a derringer, you might look into an American Derringer.






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 07-08-2003, 16:06 Post: 59159
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Doc, the Walther PP and the PPKS are two different pistols. The PP was a standard issue automatic pistol for the German Polizei. In fact the one I have is a retired German Polizei pistol in very good condition. Very well made, never had a jam. The 32 ACP actually has more penetrating power than the 380 or 9mm Kurz. (9mm short) If you want a .22 pistol, go with the Walther TPH in stainless.






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 07-08-2003, 19:01 Post: 59167
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Chief, Each model is different but that is somewhat moot as they are all clones or discontinued now. The model you mentioned is not current production. The 60's production german poluice models are indeed nice as well as the Nazi ones if you dont mind the history. As far as the 32 haveing more Power than the 380 we could probably debate that to infinity but haveing owned several of both I dont think you would ever convince me of that based on experience. The older non-USA Walthers were top quality no argument there. I have owned several but their value went up so high I sold all of them and gladly took the money. Again I would seriously hope that anyone who is ever considering a automatic .22 for PD take the time to talk to a competent gunsmith. There is no doubt in my mind they would tell you that they would never put their life behind any thing that is that mechanicly prone to failure. The walther 22 might be fun to play with but is hardly a pd weapon. The .32 is anemic at best in my opinion but it is the smallest choice that is at all realistic in a center fire pistol cartridge which gives the reliability (maybe) of cycleing properly. Again I do not use automatics of this class. Long experience has shone me they are all prone to jamming and failures. In a CW this small a revolver is the only choice reliable enough to make it in my pocket. Not saying it wont work for others but not for me thanx.






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 07-08-2003, 20:18 Post: 59170
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Doc, let me caution you as to what you ask for. I see your opening post asking about the derringer that fires .410 shells. These weapons are very effective at close range and also have an equally nasty recoil/muzzle flip. I have such a weapon that I use for home/self defense. I am an experienced and (not tootin' my own horn here) expert shooter. I am 6'2 and about 235 lbs. and the muzzle flip from this pistol is VERY stout even for me, but I am aware of what's coming when I squeeze the loud lever. This particular pistol is a a Smith & Wesson Model 629-2 stainless steel.44 Magnum with a 3 inch barrel, and goncalvo grips. Very good piece that brings ALOT of power to the table but can be over whelming in the wrong hands in terms of muzzle flip. I allowed a friend who is also an experienced and I would say expert to fire it and he fired one shot and handed back to me and said the muzzle flip nearly put the trigger into his forehead. A derringer firing a .410 shell would most likely be even worse in this department. Just don't want to see you get something that you are not going to be happy with. In my case, this particular pistol can be tamed down a good bit with .44 Special ammo. You make be in the market for something like a Smith & Wesson Chief of Police Special; real nice 5 shotter that can take the occasional +P .38 round, recessed trigger hammer, and i believe a 1 3/4 inch barrel. (I may be wrong on the barrel) Very effective, much more easy on the shooter, and just a great general all round pocket pistol. For the wife the Lady Smith is even smaller. Anyhow, some like choclate & some like vanilla. Gotta go with what meets your taste and needs.






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