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 11-24-2002, 16:06 Post: 45338
Chico
2002-11-24 16:06:11
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 JD 4110 or a New Holland TC24D

I need some help picking out one of the above tractors. I have 3 achrs. and would like to outfit them with a bucket. I like the eronomics of the Dear but the looks and ease of working on the New Holland. I have noticed that I can get a much better deal on the Dear about 3K less then the New Holland, why is this? They seem very similar? Thanks for the help!






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 11-25-2002, 07:32 Post: 45353
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I'd make sure that both tractors have the same basic features such as 4wd, HST and mid-pto. I don't put a lot of stock in a few HP or weight one way or the other. To me, it's more important how a tractor sits and if my hands and feet go naturally to the controls.

I'd keep in mind that operating a tractor for many operations is a little like cotton-picking. The same set of manual motions is repeated thousands of times. Tractor operating is much more active than auto driving so the layout of controls is important. Different layouts work for some people and not for others, so it's good that a tractor sits well. I also place more importance on liking and having confidence in my dealer than in different tractor specs. A particular dealer may be the dealer-maker for me rather than something about a tractor itself. Well, I guess I view purchase price differences as things spread out over some decades that I'd keep a tractor, so I'd just get the one I really really liked. $3000 spread over decades isn't much.

You might indicate more detail about the intended uses of a tractor. For example, one used primarily for finish mowing would have different desirable features than one used for plowing. Somebody might be able to make specific comparisons of the two tractors based on its intended primary use.






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 11-25-2002, 07:38 Post: 45354
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The JD 4110 is a 20 hp tractor, while the NH TC24D is a 24 hp, this may explain the price differential. A comparable model to the 4110 in the NH line would be the TC21D, which has 21 hp. Have you driven both? I agree the JD has better ergonimics, which in my opinion, translates to ease of working. What are your intended uses? Any implements in addition to the front-end loader? Maybe choose the correct size (horsepower), then consider all of your options within that class.






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 11-25-2002, 08:20 Post: 45359
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 JD 4110 or a New Holland TC24D

To add on the pile..... a 20/21 horse tractor may limit you to a 48 inch brushhog, for example, where the 24 horse will turn a 60 inch cutter.
Or maybe it's a bigger snowblower you are looking at, whatever.
The tractor with the most HP won't necessarily pull a bigger load, but it will run bigger, wider implements.







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 11-25-2002, 17:27 Post: 45378
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Chico,
I have a 4110 on my 4+ acres with FEL and 413 brushhog. It has handled everything I have asked so far. I agree with the other responders that a fair comparison would be with the TC21. Spend some time at both dealerships getting on and off the tractors ( 'cause that's what you are gonna do in real life) and operating the controls. The one that "fits" you best is your best bet. Finally, make sure you are comfortable with your dealer and the support they offer. Good luck with your choice, and let us know.






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 11-25-2002, 20:38 Post: 45385
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2002-11-25 00:00:00
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Thanks for your help guys, I went and sat on the TC-24 today, I love it but I have a size 14 shoe and it just dosent fit the Hydro controls like the two seporate peddals offered on the Deere. The Dealer told me there was a 800.00 dollor differnece between the TC-21 and the 24 so thats why I was looking at the 24. I'm still very undecited. The New holland has plastic fenders on the rear and I intend to own this thing for a while and I'm afraid of braking them over time. The Deere's Rear axel seams to be a off set model, While the New Holland seams to have a straight axel, looks visualy stronger? I'm no tractor buff, but the Deere looks like it's built weaker then the New Holland? I am going back tommorow to drive the Deere and I guess thats when I will decide on my choice. The New Holland is what I want but with all the pedals and hydro controls on the one side it seams like a pain to drive?






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 11-25-2002, 23:21 Post: 45391
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> The Deere's Rear axel seams to be a off set model, While the New
> Holland seams to have a straight axel.

I'm not positive we're taking about the same thing but believe the off set your referring to is a final reduction gear. This takes a lot of the load off the transmission an differential. And on the NH the final gear reduction is taken care of by the differential...






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 11-26-2002, 07:41 Post: 45403
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I'm usually kind of anti-specs, which I as view as mostly advertising that often serve to confuse rather than make purchase decisions easier. However, the 3ph specs might be compared to get an idea of the loads the axles are designed for.

However, comparisons aren't easy because the ratings are affected by factors other than the simple ability to lift weight and sustain shock loads while operating. Wheel-base, weight distribution and manufacture's sense of liability are some other factors. The specs also are usually defined as 'weight centered 2' behind the lower link pins. The definition isn't too helpful if considering a big rotary cutter where the weight is centered further than 2' behind the pins. However, if a big rotary cutter or box blade in the future it might be good to know if the tractor can manage them at all or only with a lot of front ballast. I guess specs are a place to start figuring, although I'd ask my dealer first.

I really don't think there's a lot to choose between from between axles on any tractor. They all have to be pretty rugged since mostly what tractors do is carry weigh and draft. However, tractors that are used outside their specific designed uses may be surprisingly fragile. Backhoes are really outside the realm of designed use and it might be good to know if a manufacturer's warranty extends to backhoe use. Cases also have been broken using a box scraper rear cutter as a dozer. Tractors are designed to pull rather than push.

Sometimes things outside the design area can be surprisingly fragile. An axle housing was cracked by tightening ROPS mounts without torque specs or tightening sequence. Wheel studs break on some tractors without much load at all. Despite the stories, I don't think any manufacturer is represented here more than others and they all make good machines.

I suppose I end up being sort of like specs--more confusing than helpful. But it's actually simple. Just move around and try this and that. Go through specs more from the standpoint of learning about tractors than deciding about one. Eventually it happens. It's the 'AHH THIS IS THE ONE' experience.






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 11-27-2002, 16:44 Post: 45475
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Re: AHH THIS IS THE ONE...

Well said Tom!!






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 11-28-2002, 04:57 Post: 45491
Jim H
2002-11-28 00:00:00
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This bbs, did not help me decide on JD or not. I was a JD fan. Pay attention to this TomG person. He made a difference on the fine-tuning after the purchase. I can tell you about the JD 4110 I have had for 3 months. WOW! I have a 61" material bucket, 60" MMM, 54" Ft Plow, Balast box. Now here’s the pitch. No limits within my personal use. Cut 5 oak trees down. Over flowed the bucket, lifting logs into an Isuzu dump truck. No problem. Actually dug out undisturbed dirt for a green house 20 x 30 area with an 18-inch rise. No problem. Filled the bucket w/dirt. No problem. Yard waste no limit. The funny part, No ballast box. I have not used it yet. Came with the FEL. (Mostly level travel area. as a safety margin I will for unleveled surface.) Grass cutting No problem. I am totally amazed as to the complete operation and performance with the tractor.






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