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 12-07-1999, 00:00 Post: 10732
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O.K Ya'll , I need help! I am going to buy a tractor this week! It is for mowing and partial clearing my new 7.5 acres. Rolling terrain, some gulleys and lots of Kudsu still on the edges and crawling up trees. I have narrowed the search to a JD 790 or Kubota L2500. The prices are within $ 200 of each.Each will have a loader and a box scraper. What is best value?thanks in advance for your helpScott






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 12-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 10745
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The tractors are probably pretty similar! Look at the dealer and the service you will get from them. I would gladly pay an extra $500.00 if I knew it would give me better service. The dealer I chose sent someone(within 1/2 hour of my call) out to look at my tractor when it quit running at 4:00 on a Saturday afternoon. It was just a wire that came loose, but I earned a lot of respect for my dealer from that. The tractor is green if that makes any difference.






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 12-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 10748
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Scott - not to complicate your life, but are you ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY sure you do not want a hydrostatic transmission? You mention a loader, and I really find the hydro makes like easier. If you have tried hydro, and still want the 790 or 2500, I bet they are virtually identical in quality and capabilities based on brief test drives I took on both before i went hydro. "Once you go hydro you wilkl never go back"
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 12-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 10754
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Last spring I went through the same process. The 790 has a live pto but the Kubota weighs more. I bought the 790. But I agree about the hydro for loader work. As a sidelight, I thought wild grape vines were a pain up in Ohio, but this Kudzu (spelling?) you people have down here (Georgia) is EVERYWHERE! Hope someone finds a way to control it.






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 12-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 10756
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A lot of folks do prefer the hydro. ..Something about it makes them into "true believers". There are so many people who feel this way that they must be on to something. But remember that there is nothing wrong with a manual tranny. I still prefer them for delicate "inching forward with the loader" types of motion. You will do a lot of gear shifting when doing repetitive loader work, but the manual transmission can take it. I'm old-fashioned enough to still like shifting gears. Some of the Yanmars had some of the best of both worlds with their power shift transmission in which you manually select a range and then shift a dashboard lever between 3 forward and 1 reverse without having to clutch...
I forget if both of these tractors have a continuous, independent PTO? Anyone know? If you are buying a new tractor you do not want to get a transmission-driven (also called a ground-driven)PTO. I would consider this to be as important as the transmission type if you are going to be mowing.






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 12-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 10759
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Roger L., I'm one of the hydrostatic 'true believers', as you phrased it. And yet I quite understand your comments because the only thing I miss about the manual transmission is shifting gears. I just enjoy it, and when I switched to hydrostatic I definitely had the feeling that something was missing. It just didn't feel like I should be accomplishing the things I was without all that shifting, and still doesn't sometimes. Maybe they could come out with a "hyrdo-glideshift" or a "hydro-power reverser". Then I could use the hydro when I wanted to really work, and the manual when I wanted it to look & feel like I was.






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 12-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 10762
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I bet I can shead some light on this for you. I have a 790, and love it. I came from a hydro, and the thing about once you have it, you will only want hydrostatic, I don't believe that and have many people to back me up in the business. Many old work horses out there with manual and very happy users who prefer manual over hydro. I think if nothing else, you get more PTO HP with manual. I must say though, I agree about the loader work, it took a little time to get the manual shifting to a point were I wasn't thinging anymore and just doing, so it isn't even an issue, I bet I am just as efficient as a man on a hydrostatic, plus I think the low gear range with 1st gear has more pushing/pulling power than the hydro in low gear (however that is just in my view, don't know if it is a fact).

Secondly, I did what you are doing, the L2500 does not have the same pto set-up as the 790. You have a two-stage clutch with the 790 and also you may engage either both rear and mid at the same time, or just one or the other. Look at the spec sheet and you will also see that the PTO hp and the Engine HP is better with the 790. I also believe that the dual hdryo pump (one fore steering and one for implements) is an other feature. For the money, I went with the 790, and I am a happy camper. A paid 14,900 with turf tires, mid and rear pto/ 70 loader with ballast box 4WD(A MUST!). I have seen them a little cheaper, but I liked the dealer who I was working with.

I hope this is some help, and please, hydrostatic fans, don't jump on me, I know you love you pushy pedals, I just like the old fashion feel of a clutch and the ability to select my gears per the task I am doing. I believe it is easier on the machine to have a better feeling of what the actual stress is on the engine and tranni, more feedback I feel (sound of engine vs. what gear you are in) okay okay, I go on and on, sorry. GOOD LUCK, and I hope you go Green.






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 12-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 10764
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As a landscaper I think the statement previously made should read Hydro is "more user friendly" instead of "better". From a work point of view the gear drive is far superior, even for loader work, the Hydro maybe easier to learn though. In my fleet I have one HST and the rest GST's, nobody wants the HST, especially on rough terrain, as the operators foot bounces, the speed varies, causing an even bumpier ride. There are very few situations were this would be helped by cruise control because of the terrain. Granted, in our work (lots of golf course construction) Hydro is also a problem because of the travel distances involved, the hydraulic fluid heats up to the point where the machine hardly climbs a hill, not a problem with gear drive. Also, as speed increases you lose a lot of hp with a Hydro, not so with a gear driven machine. To each their own.....






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 12-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 10768
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Cool, I was expecting to get bashed for my view on GST. I was just out clearing a 100 x 100 area a few minutes ago, and was thinking about the opposition there would be when I came in and check the message board. Instead I see ,as I said, a professional agreed with my view, just expressed it better than I could have.

I enjoyed the loader work with the gear shift, it was not at all any extra effort. I was just beating that machine to death with pushing some large loads, and as I said in my previous post, I could feel when the machine was pushing too hard, and knew when to back off. No worry of over-heating a hst or busting a seal. On other thing came to mind to, I rented a 955 several times with the HST and I still think I have a comparable about of power with my 790 which is a smaller and lighter machine. I think this is due to the GST.

So, on goes the conversation. Next....






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 12-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 10771
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Some things that I am confused about with my decision:
Kobota has 1,435 lb 3PH lift capacity JD790 has 815 lb. Is this a concern?
Kubota tires are bigger 7-16 fr 11.2-24 rear JD 6-12 fr 12.4-16 rear. Should this be a factor? Kubota has wet disk brakes JD has dry. Kubota has transmission driven overrunning clutch on PTO JD has Live-Continuous. I was about to sign on the dotted line for the JD when I received a fax about these items.






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