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 06-09-2000, 23:56 Post: 17081
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2000-06-09Knowing that this is primarily a forum for compacts and their implements, I'll be brief pending any replies: Does anyone have any experience with Alo's Quicke line of loaders for 40+ hp tractors?Their specs are impressive, but no one seems to know anything about them.I am about to take delivery of a "compact" ag tractor, the New Holland TN90F, for which no OEM loader is available! Strange but true.Thanks in advance,JimJ_ctbd@ordinary.com






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 06-10-2000, 14:09 Post: 17093
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I have installed one Alo loader on a NH 4430 about 3 years ago. I don't remember the model #, but it went on fairly well, and looked like a rugged unit. There have been no problems with it. Does your TN90F have Supersteer, and if so, what does NH say about a loader on that tractor? As far as I know, a forklift attachment built by Edwards is the only approved front-mount implement for the TN-F series, and that hangs from the axle, not the front bolster. I find it equally curious that NH does not offer a loader for this series, and wonder if it is because of anticipated low demand, or some other reason?






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 06-10-2000, 16:30 Post: 17094
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2000-06-10

Thanks, Rick. Now that you mention it, there are no illustrations of loaders on the F tractor in the literature or the www site. But Quicke makes subframes and recommends specific loaders for the F, and apparently several NH dealers install them. One in PA did say that in his opinion the 33LA (for TNS, etc, with supersteer) could easily be made to fit the TNF. But this guy probably gave his wife welded sculpture for her birthday.

I don't know the official position of NH on putting a loader on an F, but have to trust my dealer on that. The forklift must relate to the orchard/vineyard uses it is primarily designed for.

My understanding is that the axles are the same as on JD 5000 series and other NH TN tractors (made by Carraro). A loader as heavy as the Quicke 940 or the 33LA is sanctioned for the other TN tractors--which are lighter, shorter and higher in center of gravity than the TNF, though the TNF can be set as narrow as 58 inches, probably too narrow for safe loader or backhoe use. I certainly intend to keep it around 65-70 inches.

I recall someone asking if a tractor can handle the same weight when its wheels are set wider. Please check my logic on this, but I think they are on the wrong trail. Since the point of contact between the tractor axle and the wheel hub is static regardless of where they are set, with only the dishing of the inner wheel and/or its connection to the outer hub, etc, changing, why would it affect the load bearing? For larger tractors, that may not hold, with their dually style axles, etc, but for smaller ags on down, I think it does.

Please correct me if I have missed something. I dropped out of engineering to become an accountant.

Glad to hear you had at least one good experience with Quicke. The main reason I bought the New Holland product is technology--supersteer and auto engage FWD for example, as well as good experience for 12 years with my Ford 1720. Quicke seems to be on the cutting edge as well.

I hope someone else out there will chime in if they can. Looking forward to that A/C in the cab! And the salesman asked what kind of radio I wanted, CD or cassette…ah.

Jim






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 06-10-2000, 18:23 Post: 17095
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If your NH dealer & Alo are comfortable with the tractor/loader combination, then I defer to their conclusions. As far as I know, NH has stopped sourcing MFD axles from Carraro, current axles carry the NH logo cast in. The steering cylinder mounts are different, and final drive planetary design is different. My concern stems from the leverage the loader and its forces exert on the supersteer axle support, not the axle itself. Given the success the supersteer technology is enjoying in other tractor series, both bigger & smaller, it will probably be OK. As far as trackwidth is concerned, with a given load, increasing treadwidth by adjusting dish/rim configuration greatly increases leverage on the steering swivel trunnions, axle shaft bearings and axleshaft/hub assembliies. On compacts, NH has always advised NOT to reverse the front wheel dish for this reason. The axle center housing is not appreciably affected. JMHO RickB.






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 06-11-2000, 20:23 Post: 17114
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2000-06-11

I appreciate your opinions, Rick, and think I have deduced the line of work you are in. I'll look and see if the Carraro or the NH stamp is on the axles. The rear was where I saw it b4, did not look on the front. The PA dealer was one who told me about the common sourcing, and my extensive digital photo array confirms that the JD 5410 and NH TN's have similar looking rear axles. Stands to reason using even a small part of my brains that the front Supersteer axle & mechanism would be unique of course.

Rick, do you think the capacity of the SS axle on the NH TN (full-size) is appreciably different from the TNF? Although I did not take measurements, an eyeball survey again indicates they are about the same physical size and heft. I have a digital picture I could send you of the 2 side by side in front. Of course the steering mechanism does not show as well--I wonder how different it is.

Your comments on the effects of trackwidth go at least a little over my head because of some of the terminology, but I think I read that my previous conclusion is wrong, particularly with regard to steering and related components. I suppose I was thinking more of the rear axle, but your leveraging comment makes sense.

One other interesting and relevent (to this discussion) thing about Alo is their Soft Drive accessory. It purports to "soften" the hard connection between loader and the tractor/terrain using what appears to be hydraulic dampening. A graph showing the effect on load amplitude (ie, jouncing) over a time line as the tractor is driven over a rough surface, is dramatic. If it works as advertised, it should reduce stress on steering and related components, particularly at high load weights and during turns. Alo even claims it reduces operator fatigue during extended loader work.

Although I love it because it fascinates the TimTheToolman in me, I really wonder how well all this technology goes over in the small Ag market, and I mean supersteer, auto engage FWD as well as the Quicke starships. What do you think?

Even with that fancy stuff, I am not inclined to pay a premium price for Alo over Woods (who specs their Model 1027 for the F tractor) unless I can get the reach, more so than weight, I want. It is not yet clear to me whether Alo's issue with the loader model for the TNS vs the TNF is based on safety considerations (ie, tractor upset due to the narrower width) or on capacity of tractor components. Your comments are carefully noted and I appreciate them greatly. I hope to learn more on Monday when I (1) confirm that NH will not void my warranty for installing a loader per se, and (2) discuss things with the area Quicke rep again.

--Jim






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