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 02-25-2000, 00:00 Post: 13148
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Another Newbie Question: I am looking at my options for ballast on my 4100 w/loader. I have the ballast box and I am trying to decide between wheel weights and liquid ballast for the rear tires. The manual calls for three wheel weights per tire or liquid ballast at 75% fill. My options for liquid appear to be limited to calcium chloride or antifreeze. I am leaning towards water/antifreeze because it is not corrosive, although it is not quite as heavy. What are the pros and cons of wheel weights vs. liquid? Can I install liquid myself? The Firestone web page lists 15 gallons to fill my 12x16.5 R4's to 75%. I tried to search the archives, but the search engine seems to be down. HarryW






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 02-25-2000, 00:00 Post: 13158
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Harry, I use an old 6' heavy duty rear blade that extends quite a ways rearward to counter my loader on the 4100. Not only does it do a great job at that, it is useful when working with the loader. This leaves the tractor lighter for mowing etc. and is easy to remove.






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 02-25-2000, 00:00 Post: 13161
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Harry;
I went with a cement block on the 3pt. It cost less than $50. to make and you can make it as heavy as you want and remove it when you want. E-mail me if you are interested and I will explain. Its a little long so I won't do it here.

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 02-26-2000, 00:00 Post: 13177
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Harry, it is all a tradeoff. Here are the arguments: Using 3pt mount implements for weight has the advantage that it also counterbalances the loader. The downside is that they put more stress on the tractor frame - or on the cast components (engine block, bellhousing, and transmission housing) if it is an integral frame. 3pt weight also increases the shear stress on the wheel bearings and axles. Weighing the tire or wheel does not put these stresses on the tractor, but does not counterbalance the loader nearly as well.
As for liquid vs wheel weights, the liquid is can be a pain with flat tires, it is corrosive to various degrees, and putting the mass at a distance from the center of rotation of the wheel can cause "self-steering" at road speed. The plus side of liquid is that it is cheap and easy to do. The down side of wheel weights are that they are unreasonably expensive and need to be specially ordered because they only fit a narrow range of wheel types.
Maybe a compromise is best. On my own machine I use one set of wheel weights and as heavy of an implement as seems reasonable.... Roger L.






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 02-26-2000, 00:00 Post: 13178
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I guess that says a LOT about the double steel frame Kabota uses. I'll bet you can't break it due to implement stress!






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 02-26-2000, 00:00 Post: 13187
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If you just need the counterweight for using a loader, most everyone I've seen just uses a box scraper on the 3 pt hitch. It's a handy implement to have, isn't too unreasonable in price, and weighs about 400# for a 4 foot box (best size for a 4100). If you need more weight you can always add a cast concrete block to the top of the box. The 4100 has a 3 pt capacity of 930#, so it would be tough to overload it for counterweight purposes.






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 02-26-2000, 00:00 Post: 13188
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I forgot to add with my last post: filled tires are not a good idea if you also plan to use the tractor for lawn mowing. You probably don't want that kind of weight on your lawn, so it's better to go with removeable weight.






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 02-27-2000, 00:00 Post: 13192
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I have never used a box scraper. It appears that it is a landscaping device that will dig bare ground [as in a new construction lot] and then re-spread it evenly. Am I correct? Or are there other uses for the homeowner?






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 02-27-2000, 00:00 Post: 13197
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Sure are other uses for the box scraper, Cutter. As Jim says, they are great for counterbalance being heavy, short, and relatively cheap. They also make a great work platform with a piece of plywood for a top. Mounting tool carriers to them is easy...good place to carry weed whackers, chain saws and buckets of stuff hung off the teeth when they are mounted points up. Lastly, they make a dandy pusher for those times when you want to back unto something and scoot it around while being able to see exactly what is going on. As a bumper it protects you and the back of the tractor without sticking out too far. I rarely ever move dirt with mine.....






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 02-27-2000, 00:00 Post: 13198
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A box scraper is a poor man's dozer. Invaluable implement to break ground, rough grade and even finish grade work. With the scarifier teeth down you can quickly loosen alot of heavy soil and roll out most of the annoying stones that lie just under the surface. With the teeth retracted you can finish spread topsoil and gravel. Excellent driveway/road building tool as well as site improvement. They work as well in reverse as they do farward, (I've used mine to backfill right up to foundations). Mine's a very heavy built Bush Hog, 6" box, that weighs 600#+ and cost ~ $600. You can do a fair amount of comparable work with your bucket by back blading, but the scraper box is much faster and you have much more control. My box holds 18 cubic feet of material, I can back blade less than half of that... My york rake gets little use now that I have the box scraper. This is my second favorite implement, right after the loader.







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