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 10-20-2004, 23:21 Post: 98886
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 Pulling logs with my JD4310

My overgrown, heavily wooded 5 acres is a victim of Hurricane Ivan. I need to pull out many large logs (12" to 36" dia.) with my brand new John Deere 4310 (4wd, 12/12 power reverser, industrial tires, JD 420 loader). I plan to cut the downed trees to 8 to 16 foot logs and move them to a cleared area for milling with portable sawmill. Any suggestions for implements and methods?






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 10-21-2004, 04:11 Post: 98892
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 Pulling logs with my JD4310

Unless your ground is dry you will have to use chains. Get some practice with the smaller stuff first. I am not sure if you will be able to pull a 36" x 8' log that is a lot of weight.

I always use a 3ph drawbar so I can get some weight transfer. 36" would just roll over a lay there.

What ever you do go slow. BAD Things can happen very quickly with that much weight on a chain back there and a small tractor in front.

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 10-21-2004, 05:43 Post: 98893
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 Pulling logs with my JD4310

Pulling logs is risky business with any tractor, so go slow and be real alert. Your 4310 will pull the 12 inchers, but a anything much bigger will overwhelm a tractor that size. If you know someone with a heavy duty winch on a tow truck would seem like a much safer method to move those big ones. Frank.






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 10-21-2004, 06:25 Post: 98896
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 Pulling logs with my JD4310

The use of a skidder
http://www.baker-online.com/IMAGES/Log_Skidder/Log-SkidderGrey.jpg
or a skid plate; something to reduce the resistance the "nose" of the log will encounter while being dragged forward.

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 10-21-2004, 08:32 Post: 98900
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 Pulling logs with my JD4310

Thanks for the replies. I will start slowly with smaller logs and see how it goes. I think the drawbar between the two lower points of the 3ph along with a chain may be enough to get the nose of the log up out of the dirt for dragging. If this fails, the Baker "log skidder" attachment looks promising. I will keep you posted, and send me more ideas if you have them.






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 10-21-2004, 08:43 Post: 98902
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 Pulling logs with my JD4310

Ardician, I agree with everything said above. I would guess that you would be able to skid the 12" to 24" logs if you have a good surface. But as others have said, 36" diameter logs will probably be too large. A 36" hardwood log 8" long would weigh more than 3600 lbs assuming it had the density of water. A sixteen footer would of course be double the weight.

On the other hand, each 36" log could be worth quite a bit so it might be worth it to look into alternative means to winch them out.
Have fun, Dave






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 10-21-2004, 10:04 Post: 98913
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 Pulling logs with my JD4310

Ardician, if you have a drawbar of the type that goes between the two lower arms, use that AND the fixed drawbar beneath the PTO.

The way to do it is to put a chain around the log base and forwards to the lower drawbar such that the tractor end of the log is just behind the upper drawbar and there is very little slack in the chain. Nowput either the leftover chain, or a second chain, between the end of the log and the upper drawbar with the 3pth down low nearly touching the log. Theen you lift the 3pth a LITTLE bit and lift the lead edge of the log up off the ground just slightly, but the actual forward pull will still be from the lower drawbar.

Since the lower drawbar is below the centerline of the axle, any sudden increase in the load from the log will NOT tend to lift the front of the tractor.

USe EXTREME caution when pulling anything with the tractor, even more so a log or other object like that. A downhill could cause the log to rear-end you. The second chain to the upper drawbar should do a lot to prevent it. Also be sure that any 'spectators' are WELL away from the work area, a log can and WILL roll sideways suddenly if that is the path of least resistance.

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 10-22-2004, 00:42 Post: 98987
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Thanks again for the helpful ideas. I am new to discussion boards and was unsure how it would go. I checked more closely today and I think I've overestimated the size range of my logs. There may be one or two poplars that are 36" at the butt, but most of the trees are no bigger than about 24"-30" at the butt. Most were hundred year old, hundred foot tall (at least) pines and I am still depressed at having lost them. To make matters worse, timber prices have dropped to almost nothing with the glut of storm timber around here. Also, professional timber crews are next to impossible to get right now for a small tract like mine. I just hate to see them rot, thus my idea of buying the tractor and salvaging them myself in my spare time. After all, I need lumber for a tractor shed!

Murf, your idea makes good sense to me, and I think that is the method I will try first. Have to clear and bush hog a good bit first so I can manuever. A farmer friend of mine, who reported that he once used a tractor in a pulpwooding operation to little or no profit, warned me about smaller limbs and bushes damaging the hoses, fittings, and wiring harnesses on the underside of the tractor. He said my tractor is a great machine but should be used for what it was designed for and not what I am about to attempt. Of course I am not going to back off, but I am going to take it slow.






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 10-22-2004, 07:49 Post: 99002
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Ardician,it's pretty safe to say that CUTs were not designed for any one thing in particular but will typically do many jobs for us even if they take a little more time than a machine intended for one purpose. Limbs and brush can be a problem but if you're careful, you shouldn't be ripping any hoses off.

I have skidded over 26" diameter pine logs with my 9N Ford using the basic method Murf described and the Ford is maybe half the tractor your JD is. Just keep up your concentration while you're working and go slow. You can never have too much extra lumber around.
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 10-22-2004, 08:35 Post: 99003
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 Pulling logs with my JD4310

I posted this yesterday and I don't know what happpened to it. Anyway, here it is again.

I have a 4410 that I use to pull and skid logs with. Usually from log pile left by loggers. Trust me on this........you and I are in no danger of putting log skidders out of business with our CUT's. ;O) I found that I can pull trees as large as maybe 18 inches (entire tree) and perhaps upto 24 inches if I cut the tree down to size light enough to skid. It requires that I add as much ballast weight as is possible as the tires will just spin when you try a tree to heavy. Even in 4WD I find traction is not what you would think but within reasonable limits you can skid trees.

I use a choker cable or as the loggers call them, cat chokers. I purchased mine from Bailey's Logging Supply. They come in various lengths and diameter cables and you can have them make custom length cables as well. I had them make me a 100 ft. choker cable for pulling logs out of log piles and up slopes too steep to take the tractor on. I installed a trailer hitch ball on the draw bar on my tractor and put the choker cable on the ball. This method seems to work pretty well and when I have pulled the log to where I want; I back up slightly and the cable will drop off the hitch ball. Just take your time and go SLOW. Avoid pulling logs down steep slopes as they can slide into the tractor or worse.

Below is a link to the choker cables I use. I prefer the 9/16" x 10' for heavy stuff and the 1/2" x 8' for smaller diameter trees. If you try to skid a really small diameter tree with a thick cable; the cable can become bent or formed to the small tree whichs makes it a PIA to roll up the cable later when done.






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