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 01-25-2001, 06:54 Post: 23667
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After several weeks without enough snow to remove, the battery on my ford 1710 comes up completely dead. I don't think anything was left on. It worked fine after some time on a charger. I measured (Beckman digital VOM) a drain of 1.2 mill through the ground cable with everything off. Removing each fuse individually didn't change the drain. I suppose there is a potential current path through the regulator/alternator even with the fuses removed. Corrosion on the positive battery terminal would provide another current path, but the battery terminals were cleaned recently. Anyway, I'm wondering if a 1.2 mill drain should be considered normal. If so, then I can stop worrying about drain and start worrying about the battery and charging system. However, I guess it would take a long time for a properly charged battery to become completely discharged at a rate of 1.2 mill, so something else is probably going on. One of life's truths seems to be that if you don't have a heated shop, then problems only happen the middle of winter.






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 01-25-2001, 07:12 Post: 23670
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TomG, I'm no electrician, but I'd say NO drain is normal if everything is off. It reminds me of a fellow I worked with that bought a new car a lot of years ago and everything was fine as long as he drove it to work everyday, but if he didn't drive it over the weekend, he had to jump start it Monday. He had it back to the dealer several times over a period of several months before they found that the cigarette lighter had just a tiny short; wouldn't blow the fuse, but would run the battery down in a couple of days. I'm guessing you need to find that tiny short somewhere.






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 01-25-2001, 07:42 Post: 23673
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Thanks Bird. Yes, I suspect I'm going to be in for some aggravation. Most nights here go to around 0F until late March. I suppose I'll end up keeping the battery up with a trickle charger for most of the winter. I figure it'll take most of the winter, given the few hours here and there when it's warm enough to grab a wrench without it sticking to your hand. Maybe if I get desperate, I can bring in my 5,000 btu propane burner and chain it on top of the canopy. Of course, that's not going to put much heat on the ground but at least I could de-numb my hands occasionally.






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 01-25-2001, 08:14 Post: 23675
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Hum...Beckman meter huh? You have good taste! Now we use Fluke though... Anyhow, how old is the battery? Just maybe the life of the party oops I mean battery is going downhill. I saw Roger's post on his battery for over 10 years in one of his tractors, like my Isuzu P'up battery about 10 or 11 years. Severe drain in the cold, but could start fine on warm days. I'd just put another battery in. Yes 1.2 mil is not abnormal... Take the battery off, charge it fully, measure it, let it sit in the shed for 60 days, measure it again, Less or perhaps dead? Remember the battery has internal leakage, electrolyte weak/old, plates warped, causing those "tiny" internal shorts within, etc. etc.
Good luck with the new battery. (Take a piece of tape and write the date on the battery when installed for the future)






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 01-26-2001, 06:28 Post: 23694
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Yes, the battery is my first guess--it may be as old as the tractor. Thanks for verifying that the small drain through the ground cable may be normal. I left a 2A charger on the battery for 24 hours, and then switched to a 1A charger. When a warm spell comes I'll take the charger off and monitor the battery specific gravity for a few days. I guess if the specific gravity stays up, then I have to look at the charging system. However, it might make more sense to just replace the battery on principal. I guess I should consider myself lucky that I discovered the dead battery on a warm day, otherwise it would have been frozen.

I do like the Beckman meter. I bought it when I started repairing my own PA equipment back in my sound engineering days. I got spoiled during my four years of teching in the Air Force. The military spends a lot on its test gear, if not its soldiers.






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 01-26-2001, 07:18 Post: 23700
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Tom, my 10 year old battery is an Optima Red Top - born on date is 10-11-90. But I'm going to take the opposite tack from some of my esteemed fellow posters here. I think you are saying that the leakage is in the wiring, not internal to the battery itself. And while 1.2 ma is low, I don't think that there should be any leakage at all. The current value is consistent with a back flow through one of the diodes on the alternator's rectifier plate. Try unplugging the alternator and see if the current drain stops. If so, it would be interesting to talk about what it means.
The other way to look at it is that the battery should be capable of putting out 1.2 ma for at least a couple of weeks without running down. So either you left something else on, or the battery was so flat that all it could put out is 1.2 ma, or it is time for a new battery. I agree: charge it up properly and run the tests again.






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 01-26-2001, 14:34 Post: 23708
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Tom, try a "master disconnect switch" similar to the ones people with RV's use to prevent the RV from draining the tow vehicles battery when parked, about $10Cdn. at Canadian Tire, etc., with the battery effectively disconnected every time you park it you can quickly determine whether the problem is in the battery or wiring harness. Best of luck.






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 01-26-2001, 18:59 Post: 23715
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I think Roger & Murf are on the right track here. Your battery may magnify the problem due to poor reserve capacity due to its age.






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 01-27-2001, 06:04 Post: 23722
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Thanks guys. I think it's going to be warm enough to do some testing today. I'll get back to the board.






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 02-02-2001, 05:43 Post: 23863
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An update on my problem: It did get warm (the 20'sF is warm around here), so I got some testing done. After charging at 2A for a day and 1A for several days, I tested with a hydrometer. Three cells barely lifted the gauge into the 'fair' zone. I didn't bother testing the rest. I replaced the battery with an automotive type speced at 875A cranking. Warm around here usually means snow, so the tractor has had some use. The tractor starts and the battery still is up since Monday. Curiously, my repair manual gives cranking specs for 13 & 1510's, but not for my 1710. I got the highest cranking amp speced battery in a size that would fit. I'm not sure that's all the problem, but I need more warm weather to figure it out. At one point after the charger use, I lost all electricals except pre-heat, work lights and start. I got the instrumentation back by cleaning fuse and holder contacts, but the lighting circuit is still out (gets voltage to the fuse but not to the lights). Oh well, another day. Actually the electricals have been gimpy since I got the tractor back from the dealer. The dealer had to remove the dash to tighten the steering column. I suspect that that some tired wiring connections were disturbed. If there's a lesson in all this, I guess that it's been long enough since my teching days so I've forgotten about preventative maintenance. I should have checked the battery capacity this summer with a hydrometer. I probably also should have gone through a wiring cleaning, tightening and jiggling exercise. Good idea to give the connections on a 15 year old tractor some attention. I haven't forgotten about the 1.2 ma leakage, but I need warm hands to get much enthusiasm for wrenching.






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