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 04-08-2001, 06:01 Post: 26447
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Hello all,I'm considering a NH TC40D and had some questions for the group. First what is the difference between a live PTO and an independent PTO? I believe the TC40D has a independent PTO? Also considering a 9ft Woods backhoe(PTO pump to run the hoe)for the unit and suggestions? I need to dig drainage ditches to control water before I start any landscaping on my property. There are many "goonies" in my soil and I have some concerns that the tractor with the hoe will not handle the task.ThanksRay






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 04-08-2001, 11:09 Post: 26468
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The TC40 does have an independent pto according to the web page. An independent pto (sometimes called a hydraulic pto if actuated hydraulically) can be engaged/disengaged with a lever or switch without using the clutch and without regard to the tractor (moving or not moving, in gear or out). Different manufacturers may have slightly different details; this is just the ones I've seen.






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 04-08-2001, 15:45 Post: 26472
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Thanks Bill for clearing that up for me. Have you any experience with a Woods Hoe on that tractor?






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 04-08-2001, 18:26 Post: 26476
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Ray,
Check out the thread under Backhoe Topic -- Backhoe Comparision! Steve






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 04-09-2001, 06:41 Post: 26501
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Ray, no experience with 'hoes at all. But I am building a Cadplans 708!
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 04-09-2001, 08:38 Post: 26507
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PTOs are confusing. I don't think it was deliberate, like a lot of tractor lore it just sort of evolved without a pattern.....I remember when I was trying to figure out all of the differences so I've written this up in the hopes that it might help someone. Enjoy! Roger L.

OVERVIEW: There are two basic types of PTO. Both are engaged via their
own PTO lever which has a disengaged/engaged position and may also have
several speeds. What they have in common is that both types can be clutched
and engaged the same way when the tractor is in neutral. If you are sitting
still, you put the tractor in neutral and as you let out the clutch the PTO
shaft begins to turn. This means you can use the tractors PTO the same way
regardless of PTO type to run accessories when the tractor is not moving.
i.e. as a stationary power source.
TYPE 1: The difference is when the tractor is in gear. The early type
of PTO is called "ground driven" or more commonly "transmission driven". The
key feature is that the same clutch works the PTO and the forward motion. So
if the tractor is in gear you must be moving before the PTO will turn. One
shortcoming occurs when mowing or tilling: the implement requires several
feet to get rotating and so the starts are never real smooth. The advantage
is no additional clutch and simple robust construction.
TYPE 2: The other type of PTO is clutched separately from the
tractors forward motion. It comes in two flavors: "independent" and "live".
They are very similar. The PTO may have its own separate clutch in a
different location from the tractor's main clutch in which case this PTO is
called "independent". Or it may have its clutch on the same shaft as the
tractors main clutch. These are called "2-stage clutches, and this type of
PTO is called "live" (I have also heard it called "continuous" or "live
continuous"Wink yeah right. The live PTO can be clutched without clutching the tractor by
only pushing down half way on the pedal. Pushing down all the way clutches
both.
To say it again: there are two types of PTO: transmission-driven or
live.The independent PTO is merely a variation on the live PTO. You probably want the live (or independent) PTO.






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 04-10-2001, 07:11 Post: 26541
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My gear-driven tractor has a double-clutch live PTO. Put the clutch in half-way, and you're clutching the tractor. The PTO continues to spin. Put it in all the way and you're clutching both the tractor and the PTO.






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