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 02-11-2003, 16:12 Post: 49076
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 Boomer or BX

I am considering a compact / sub-compact w/ FEL & 60mmm. I like both the NH-TC21 and the Kubota BX2200. Is the only advantage the fact that I could put a Hoe on the TC18 later if I need it?






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 02-11-2003, 16:51 Post: 49081
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 Boomer or BX

I like the TC21 for its "true" Cat. I, three-point hitch. The TC21 has about twice the three-point lift capacity, as well (680# vs. 1,265#). It gets my vote.
However, the BX22 has a nice, integrated backhoe option...
Just wanted to add to the confusion.






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 02-11-2003, 18:49 Post: 49091
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Andy, Trust me. If you can possibly afford a TC24D with the 12 LA loader, grab it and don't look back. It is one sweet machine. The TC series is a compact class I. The BX series is a sub compact. It is a great workhorse, but it can't do what a class I can do. To be equal you need to compare the Kubota B7500 to the New Holland series. I would shop around, keep my mind open and ask a lot of questions. Are you sure either of these machines are right for your property? So many are lured by a low price to find out the machine (any brand) doesn't do what they anticipated. Then they take a hit selling the first machine to get what they should have got in the first place and end up spending much more in the long run. Looking is half the fun - Enjoy
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 02-11-2003, 19:51 Post: 49098
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Andy, I suppose this debate will go on forever, but you are right to compare the TC 21 and the BX as they are the same class of tractor.

The only feature I can see that is different between the two is the boomer has split brakes.
Most people never use them. And even using the brakes the Boomer has a turning radius of 81 inches and the BX turns in 90 inches.

Find the one that fits you best. Last time I checked a small Boomer with a hoe was $21K + , you can probably find a BX22 with a hoe for $16K or a bit less.






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 02-12-2003, 02:47 Post: 49110
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You've got one up on me Mark, I see you're in the market for a BX22 and I'm not. The question was regarding a BX2200, which is not compatible with a BH. The TC21 can have a 516 or 517 BH added after the purchase. The BX22 is only available as a complete TLB package. BX2200 is listed as a sub-compact on Kubota's web site. TC18, 21 & 24 are listed as compacts on New Holland's. To me at least the BX2200, Massey GC2300 and JD 2210 are sub-compact. Kioti's upcoming CK20 is supposed to be, but if it is, it's on steroids. One of the biggest differences besides brakes is tire sizes and types. On the three sub-compacts there are no R4 tire options. The bar tires available are not really an R1 AG tire, at least they aren't called that and sure don't look it. Some 3 PT implements like certan post hole diggers don't have enough clearance on a BX2200. The difference in ground clearance between the BX and TC is about 4" or over 50% more for the TC. To me that shows a sub-compact is really designed for fairly smooth gravel or lawns. Certainly not the ruts I have in places. With this in mind I still say the B7500 is a better comparison to the TC21 than the BX2200. The size, tires, brakes and ground clearance are similar. Both can have backhoes added after purchase. If I'm wrong, I don't know what NH offers that compares to the B7500. As for price, no one today, even JD can sell similar products for $5K more. If it is accurate, I'm sure there are some justifications for it. Again, please take this from where it comes. I'm not in the market for a tractor this small and wouldn't even consider one if I ever intended to use it for any serious backhoe work.
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 02-12-2003, 08:03 Post: 49117
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Sorry, I saw BX and backhoe in the same sentence and thought that was part of the discussion.

If Kubota was marketing the TC18 and TC21 they would probably call them subcompacts and that is my point.

You are right about the extra 4 inches of ground clearance, but guess what happens to that when you sling a sub-frame into the picture?






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 02-12-2003, 08:57 Post: 49122
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Pacesetter, I wanted to comment about the "serious backhoe work" scenario.

Do you think another brand of 1500 pound tractor with a 6 foot hoe is going to significantly out-perform the BX?

If I wanted to do some serious work with a backhoe I wouldn't use a BX either. I would get something with twice the horsepower and three time the weight.

The BX and the TC's are homeowners/hobby farm machines, not contractors tools.






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 02-12-2003, 10:44 Post: 49125
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Mark-
In referring to the BX22 as a "hobby machine", have you become disenchanted with yours, or do you simply mean that big yellow work requires big yellow machines ? I have not been able to find a rental yard to test one out for my needs. A salesman did offer to bring one out for a test project. I may take him up on it, but I would like you to clarify what you mean as "hobby activity" if you don t mind.






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 02-12-2003, 12:13 Post: 49129
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Mark,

"If Kubota was marketing the TC18 and TC21 they would probably call them subcompacts and that is my point."

I beg to differ, A B7500 has a 59" wheelbase, is 42" wide and 90" long with no 3PT hitch and has 12" ground clearance. The TC21 is 106" long with a 3PT, has a 55" wheelbase, over 10" ground clearance and is 41" wide. Kubota markets the B7500 as a compact, I would suggest they would market a TC21 the same.

"You are right about the extra 4 inches of ground clearance, but guess what happens to that when you sling a sub-frame into the picture?"

There is a lot of extra beef under a BX22, however it doesn't detract from the ground clearance compared to a BX2200. they are both the same at 6.7"

"Do you think another brand of 1500 pound tractor with a 6 foot hoe is going to significantly out-perform the BX?"

I am NOT implying that is the case at all. If I only had my front three acres and all the major work were done so that I was only going to maintain my front property. If I were to take on small projects here and there, a BX22 would be high on my list, if not at the top.

"The BX and the TC's are homeowners/hobby farm machines, not contractors tools."

See, YOU realize it has it's limitations and I realize it has it's limitations. It WON'T do what a 40HP #4500 class III will, we both agree on that. My point is do Andy and Cletus realize that and to what extent?

It's on both of them now, they need to say what their respective properties are like and what their intentions are with the machine. Then we can give a more accurate opinion.
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 02-12-2003, 12:47 Post: 49132
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Pacesetter:
I think we are saying the same thing in different words. And you seem to agree that the BX and the TC's have the same wheel base, similar operating weights, horsepower and general capabilities. It is just not clear to me why one is a "sub" and the other not.

Cletus:
No I don't mind clarifying my words. People do become disenchanted with their purchases, but in this case I am not one of them. I simply have a realistic view of what a given piece of equipment can be expected to do.

I know you have read some of these threads where someone buys a 13 horse grey market tractor and then wonders if it will pull a three bottom plow.

An experienced dirt excavator guy I know always says there is nothing you can do with a ten yard drag line that you can't also do with a teaspoon. Just takes a lot longer.

With the exception of excavating big boulders or breaking very, very hard ground, I think my little backhoe will do the same jobs. It just takes more time.

My tractors do not and cannot compete with big yellow excavators. But they do make one hell of a showing against a wheelbarrow and a shovel.

If you are farming 160 acres a TC21 is not your tractor. If your "farm" is 2 or 5 acres and a couple of horses, the TC may be right up your alley.

To use a baseball analogy, our compact tractors are like utility infielders. These guys are generally small, lightweight and fast, but usually don't have the power to hit out of the park with a single swat.
Nor do they do highly specialized jobs like pitching or catching.
But they can do 80 percent of the jobs that can be done on a team and do many jobs the heavy hitters are ill equipped or just too big to do.






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