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 | jkjordan
Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 25 East Tennessee 
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2005-09-09 116141
We use an older Massey Ferguson square bailer. The bail counter does not work properly and I think there is a piece missing. The counter has an arm that extends downward holding a spring wire with a loop bent at the bottom. A cam rotates near the spring wire for every bail. It seems to me the spring wire should hold a horizontal pin, bolt, or roller to ride on the cam.
Does you have one of these or know about the counter for such a bailer?
JKJ
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 | harvey
Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1550 Moravia, NY 
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2005-09-10 116165
As I recall generally on all the counters the arm/lever was connected by a spring to a lever on the the knotter. When the knotter was activated it pulled the spring.
Lots of times counters were coggered up so not sure how to tell you how to proceed.
You should be able to attach the spring to any part of the knotter that does not rotate. Just remember the lever to pull the spring is triggered by someting that rotates.
Hope this helps ....
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| jkjordan
Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 25 East Tennessee
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I can see no suitable spring connection point on the knotter. Everything close to the counter rotates. The loop of springy wire on the counter arm is very close to but not touching the flat steel cam that rotates once when knotting each bail. The wire loop is about 1/8" higher and 1/8" to the side of the rim of the cam.
The cam is a flat steel plate perhaps 6" in diameter gripped near the rotating shaft by what appear to be spring-loaded friction pads in contact with the inner part of the plate. I suspect one reason for that part is to provide some friction drag. However, I can see no other function for the outer circumference of this part to be shaped like a cam unless it is to drive the counter.
Does anyone know of a web site that provides manuals or service details or pictures of old hay bailers?
JKJ in East TN ....
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 | Chief
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4297 Southwest MiddleTennessee 
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jkjordan,
Can you give us more info. on your bailer? A model # may help jog someone's memory here. I don't have much experience with these but I think these guys may be able to help you out. They are mostly full time farmers. ....
Link: Machinery Talk
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 | Art White
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 6898 Waterville New York
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2005-09-13 116315
You could look at most any make baler and find your answer. All small square balers run the old style deering knotters. As much as I've looked at many of them I'll try to look at one to give the exact location of the spring connection. ....
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