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 07-26-2004, 10:50 Post: 91934
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I need some knowledge from you experts. I hooked up my 16' trailer with the L3400DT, FEL, 5'shredder, and boxblade for the first time yesterday to my 1/2 ton Dodge with a 360 V8. The rear springs went way down. It made the steering a little uneasy. The engine was straining on the hills. I though OK, I'll hook up to my sons Dodge 1/2 ton 4X4 with a 5 inch lift and 360 V8 and it will pull better. I used a 5 1/4 inch drop hitch and boom, it sank his truck almost as bad. Trying to go up hills was almost impossible with his big tires and the heavy load.

I have hauled some trailers but most of the time my previous tractor stayed in the barn.I never really had to trailer it.I moved to Arkansas but bought land in MO. I'll have to trailer my new L3400. My question is, do I need to purchase a 3/4 ton with a diesel? Should I try moving the tractor further back and let the shredder hang off the back more? Will moving more of the load/bucket off the tongue make it pull better?

I thought things were going well, new tractor, new land to work, and then it got complicated. My truck only has 40K miles on it. I hate to buy something new, but I don't want to ruin her and then have to buy something new anyway.

Give me some advise guys!

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 07-26-2004, 11:10 Post: 91936
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Depending upon the brand and design of your trailer; it is most likely grossly over loaded as were both the trucks you attempted to pull the load with. I would venture a guess that the tractor, FEL, & cutter tip the scales around 4,000 lbs. to 4,700 lbs. Add to this the weight of the trailer which depending upon make and model is between $1,000 to $1,500 lbs. and you are towing as much as a 6,700 lb. load. My guess is that this exceeds the towing capacity and GVWR of your truck. Not to mention the trailer hitch ball. Most are rated for 5,000 lbs. unless you purchased and heavier duty ball. You can move the tractor further back on the trailer to ease some of the tongue weight on your truck but be VERY careful! Too little tongue weight can cause and unstable and wobbley trailer when underway. I strongly recommend you research to find out exactly what your truck's tow rating AND GVWR is to verify if you are within limits. If you are; it is a matter of adjusting the load on the trailer to arrive at the ideal tongue weight which is between 7% - 10% of the load weight. Also be sure the tires on your trailer have the proper weight rating to carry the weight of your load. I would strongly suggest load range D. Load range C may work, depending upon the size of the tires but you will be work at their limits most likely. I would suggest the 3/4 or 1 ton truck for towing this load as these trucks have a MUCH stiffer suspension and strong frame which makes them much more suited to the task. Anyhow, just my 1.5 cents worth. Good luck and be safe!






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 07-26-2004, 11:34 Post: 91939
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The trailer is rated for 7,000 pounds and I think you are close in your estimates on weight. My predicament is that when I do build a barn and leave the tractor I'll have a truck set up for towing that I won't really need often. I'm in kind of a pickel. Do you think most people with these compact tractors all use 3/4 or 1 tons? I appreciate all the help you guys give. I need advise.

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 07-26-2004, 12:03 Post: 91941
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Here's what I've come up with.... numbers are not exact:

Tractor= 3300#
FEL= 1100#
Big box blade= 600#(?)
5 foot brush hog= 1000#(?)

Total 6000 pounds????? This puppy needs a 10,000 GVW trailer and a one ton tug boat.

Do you have fluid in the tires or wheel weights?






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 07-26-2004, 12:08 Post: 91942
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I agree with everything Chief said. I regularly tow my L3130 on a 16' trailer and it sounds like you need to move everything back towards the rear. When I have my tractor chained down without too much down force on the back of my truck the loader bucket is completely inside the trailer and the rear blade is just hanging off the back end by about an inch. This blade only extends a foot or so beyond the 3pt so the tractor is probably back much farther than you tried it. I have to wonder whether you can haul your brush mower without having it protrude 6' off the back of the trailer.

Weight distribution is probably not affecting the ability of your truck to pull it.
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 07-26-2004, 12:09 Post: 91943
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No fluid in tires. I just talked to the trailer people and I was wrong the trailer is rated for 10,000 pounds. A 3/4 ton should pull this if it has a diesel right? It sounds like money anyway I look at it!

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 07-26-2004, 13:17 Post: 91945
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3/4 diesel would be optimum, but maybe not necessary if you don't tow too often. YOu will find, however, that once you have a good towing vehicle, your uses will grow for it. It will definately NOT be money wasted. ($.02 worth of advise: get the manual tranny with the Cummins diesel)

Balancing the tractor load on the trailer is extremely critical. You should only put a few hundred pounds of tougue weight on your truck, the rest should be blalaced on the trailer. The trailer needs to have the capacity to handle the weight and the truck needs the GCVW (gross combined vehicle weight) rating to handle the total (truck, trailer and tractor) load. Trucks with lift kits are NOT for towing. They are for breaking expensive equipment.

As per other strings on this subject: DO NOT USE OVERDRIVE WHILE TOWING WITH A DODGE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION!






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 07-26-2004, 13:32 Post: 91946
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I will probably get yelled at for this but don't go out and buy a new truck just for this. A dodge 1/2 ton with a 360 will pull 6000 lbs. Look at the tow ratings at they are probably around 8000 lbs. Yes it will sink the back end down and yes it will pull hard up hills. But it you are only pulling occasionally don't spend your money on a new truck. I know the manufactures are sometimes optomistic about the pulling capabilities of a truck but you for sure don't need a 1 ton diesel for this. I think alot of people on this board have the Tim Taylor disease. More power is always a good thing, which in theory is true but if there isn't a need for it it's a waste.






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 07-26-2004, 13:49 Post: 91948
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echo10mp, for very occasional use towing. You could get by with your Dodge but you need to work out the weight distribution on your trailer and get around 400 lbs. of tongue weight give or take. I said occasional use towing and I mean VERY occasional use. Do NOT tow in overdrive as already mentioned but even still, you will have to really back out of the throttle on hills and use the "running start method" of getting over the hills as much as possible. To my knowledge you Dodge does NOT have lock up capability in 2rd gear, you may have it in 3rd gear. As long as you can keep the torque converter in lock up as much as possible you should be OK. You will notice an approx. 200 rpm rise in 3rd or OD when the torque converter unlocks. This is when the trans. fluid BBQ starts and the longer you are pulling hard out of lock up the more heat you build up in the trans. You would require a trans cool the size of your pickup truck bed to exchange that much heat, hence the warning about towing in OD and with the torque converter unlocked. Any way you cut this, you run a serious risk of damaging the trans. by pulling this much weight. Just take a look in my pics at the boat I pull. That package weighs around 8,500 lbs. plus. The Suburban in the picture is a 3/4 ton with 4.10 gears, 4L80E HD trans., HD tow package, and an auxiliary external trans. oil cooler. The Suburban was totally overwhelmed by this load and the trans. would over heat and puke oil each and everytime I towed the boat more than a few miles. On hills the Suburban would shift down to 2nd gear and the throttle was to the floor doing 30 mph. I was able to get by towing short trips and taking it VERY easy but it was still tough on the Suburban. That is why I went with the Dodge Cummins 3/4 ton pickup. It pulls the boat and my tractor like they are not even back there. Just take it very easy and see how she does.






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 07-26-2004, 14:12 Post: 91949
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Chevytruck, are trying to infer that the 1,400hp I used have to push my boat through the water was a waste?

BTW, 'Tim Taylor Syndrome' is a recognized physcological condition, it is caused by prolonged exposure to high-test fuel.

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