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 06-10-2003, 01:49 Post: 57246
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I've owned mine now for about 9 months and VERY satisfied...until...

Just finished my 50hr checkup this weekend including a complete fluid/filters change. Since I emptied the trans I pulled the trans screen filter (on suction line accessed in left wheel well). To my surprise, several relatively large metal filings had attached themselves to the screen.

After a bit of detective work, I discovered the filings were produced by cross threading the screen filter with the transmission housing, apparently during factory assembly. Of course, I don't know if any smaller metal material penetrated the filter screen. None were evident in the extracted transmission fluid.

Complete story and pictures at link below. Would appreciate suggestions from owners and dealers alike on my next step.






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 06-10-2003, 05:09 Post: 57247
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At our dealerships I have not heard of this problem and it very well maybe just a one time thing. When assembling tractors or cars or most anthing often there is foreign particales of metel loose in the housings. Sometimes it might be brass from the hammers they use or in this case the threads from the filter. That is why they change the fluids at 50 hours the first time instead of a longer interval.






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 06-10-2003, 08:51 Post: 57269
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Yikes!
Rich, FYI, when I pulled my screen at 50 hours it had several small metal chips on it.... not slivers like in your pictures... more like assembly/machining debris/leftovers.

It will be very interesting to see what Kubota does about this. I have seen similar problems repaired on oil pan drain holes that were cross threaded.






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 06-10-2003, 14:27 Post: 57285
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Update: I contacted the dealer today and explained the issue. The dealers initial response was "I wish we would have done the 50hr checkup...", the inference that perhaps I was somehow responsible. I promptly put that one to bed.

The service manager feels there is low probability that metal from the stripped threads entered the trans. He believes that the screen properly filtered the metal particles. He went on to say that if metal particles did penetrate the screen, they would almost certainly be less substantial than common machining and assembly debris. Further, such debris is typically not problematic.

He said the only viable option to repair the stripped thread area would be a transmission replacement and "that might create a lot more probs than it solves." I found that to be an interesting statement.

He did recommend I document this matter with Kubota, which I was planning to do anyway. I'll probably use their website and send them a letter.






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 06-10-2003, 20:41 Post: 57291
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RichT -

Those shots truly tell a story...maybe more often than not, maybe not. I don't personally have a BX22, however I have other oranges.

I know on the other B series oranges, the location of the tranny filter screen and bung assembly, is loacted on the bottom rightside of the tranny housing facing the rear right wheel. I can tell you that it is almost impossible to get at these, let alone remove it with out the removal of the rear right wheel assembly. To reinstall with the wheel in place, is almost impossible to get a straight alignment with the chamber.

With this in mind, if the location on the BX22 is similar, and again I don't know because I do not have a BX22, then it would be conceivable that, possibly someone tried to save time by removing it and reinstalling it without the wheel removed guaranteeing proper alignment within the chamber threads.

I would not know why anyone, (dealer), would need to remove at such an early time interval, i.e: at point of sale, however stranger things have happened. My guess is that it was assembled incorrectly from the gitgo. Just kind of surprised that it seated properly and did not show signs of dripping.

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 06-11-2003, 00:08 Post: 57308
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Just did my 50hr service on my BX22 and have some service notes to share. The strainer did have some debris, but nothing unexpected for a new machine. A blast of carb cleaner and then a blow dry, the strainer went right back in. The trans took almost all of a 5 gallon pail of SUPER-UDT fluid. Spec is 2.7 gallons in the owners manual. The manual specifys super udt and there is no other spec given to cross over to another brand of hydraulic fluid. I don't mind using Kubota specified fluids, but I either went to or called 5 dealers before I found one that stocked super udt. One dealer even told me it was special order. Thats crappy.
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 06-11-2003, 00:13 Post: 57309
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Glenn -
My dealers up my way all carry super-udt as a normal stock item. It is pricey by comparison to other oils of lesser grade, however they carry it regularly. You're right...that is kind of crappy!

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 06-11-2003, 00:38 Post: 57311
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Interesting, I think I will put this on the list for the dealer when they do my 50hrs service. The maintenance is for the most part fairly simple, but it might be best to try and establish a good relationship with them and let them handle it while under warranty. Of course under close inspection afterwards.

I do have a belief however, that if a dealer actually finds something seriously wrong or otherwise, they will allways try the least expensive fix even if not total, or give "lets wait and see " or "that might be worse" type answers until the warranty expires. I know I'm a bit cynical when it comes to warranties, mainly because companies know when they give a warranty that the warrantee(the customer) is the sole enforcer.

As Mark put it "It will be very interesting to see what Kubota does about this"

Mark, Did you find it necessary to remove the rear wheel when you checked/removed your transmission strainer?






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 06-11-2003, 00:56 Post: 57312
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The easiest way to get to the strainer is to use the backhoe outrigger to jack up the left side of the tractor and take off the rear wheel. I don't know if the strainer would come out without taking the wheel off. It is tight back there.
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 06-11-2003, 01:56 Post: 57315
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WillieH - the filter screen is in the same place on the BX22 that you describe for other orange models. I had to remove the left rear wheel to find it. Since I had to use a breaker bar to get it loose, the wheel had to come off anyway. Without removing the wheel, it could be crossthreaded without too much trouble. I suspect the factory got a little careless and then bumped up the torque to get the assembly to tighten. I don't understand why the entire housing thread wasn't stripped.

Glenn-D: my refill of super UDT took approx 2.6gal.

For those interested, link to my Kubota ltr is below.






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