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 09-25-2002, 21:17 Post: 42909
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Hey guys,
This past weekend my buddy and his Dad were cutting wood and falling trees in upper Michigan, when a falling tree didn't fall according to plan and hit his new JD 4100 a glancing blow to the side fender while missing the ROPS hitting the fender and cracking the rear axle housing. If you wonder why JD doesnt recommend a backhoe for the 4100 here is the reason. THe rear axle housing is cast aluminium about a 600 dollar part last I heard. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR and an alumnium axle housing isn't what most JD buyers had in mind when they bought a tractor.






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 09-25-2002, 23:10 Post: 42912
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OH,ISN'T THE 4100 ALL JAPANESE BUILT,NO WONDER ITS MADE OUT
OF ALUMINUM....BUY AMERICAN AND YOU'LL GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.






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 09-26-2002, 09:14 Post: 42928
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I understand your dismay, yet our dealership has sold one heck of alot of those 4100's, and have yet to sell the part you mentioned.

I have no idea how big the falling tree was, or even if it made a sound when it fell, but those two better count their blessings they were not standing beside that tractor when the tree fell. That axle housing may be considered weak, by your standards, but I bet it's alot tougher than a human being.

Let's be carefull out there!






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 09-26-2002, 09:31 Post: 42929
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Ok, so what is the message here? If you drop a tree on a tractor and the tractor gets damaged, that there is something wrong with the tractor?

And please point me to the American compact tractor you are referring to, you know the one that is completely made and assembled inside these borders. And while you are at it, find me an American car or truck.

I wish my 4100 was here and not on consignment 45 miles away. I would go outside with a magnet and find out what the axle housing is made of, most tractors in the size class of the 4100 are anywhere from 100 to 250 pounds lighter than the 4100. So if there are major cast components made from aluminum on the 4100, what does that say about itís light weight competition?

MrEthics, do you still have that 4100 on the lot and a magnet somewhere in the shop?






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 09-26-2002, 10:34 Post: 42931
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No need for that. The trans. part on the tractor in question is aluminium. I will confirm it.

But, I do know that aluminium, lb for lb, is stronger than steel.

As for a CUT that is totally american, man......I can't think of any. Not since the days of the John Deere "L" or the IH "cub". Say what we want about those Japs, but there is some good stuff comeing from that island. That is not to say that there is all bad stuff made here in N. America.

I guess we should get a 4310 and drop a tree on it, before I sell another one.

Imagine if you will:

"Durn!!!.....missed again!!!." "Hey Ralph, park it over by that Weeping Willow and let's try it again" "Man...look how many rings are on that oak stump we just cut, 'bet that tree was here when God was just a boy!"

This whole topic reminds me of the the story of a local man who was trimming a tree and dropped a large limb on his house. His rafters, sheeting and shingles must have been sub-standard also. Not to mention the chainsaw was from Italy.

In the imortal words of Homer Simpson..........."Dooolt!!!!!!!"






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 09-26-2002, 11:32 Post: 42934
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My wife is a supervisor for Poulan-Weedeater in DeQueen AR, which happens to be the world's largest chainsaw plant. There's nothing totally American anymore, at least if it has more than 2 parts. But hey, those other countries buy parts from us too. So all in all, it's what makes the world go round.

Before someone says it, Poulan does make some good chainsaws and they make some not so good. But you can blame that on Wally World, they want something cheap and Poulan makes it for them. To Wal-Mart's specs. All in all, even with the cheap Wal-Mart saws, if a person was to take of it like you are suppose to, it'll last for years and years. The biggest problem people have with chainsaws is old gas and not mixing the oil and gas right.

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 09-26-2002, 15:10 Post: 42940
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When I first saw this post I was curious to say the least. I come to this forum to help if I can, to learn, and to enjoy the great diversity of opinions that so many bring here gleaned from their life's experiences. So when I read "DH83's" post I was primed for the attack, and then I bit my tongue. I think this guy is just looking to ignite some kind of powder keg. He probably was looking forward to a good round of bashing someone or something, but it didn't work.

The reason it didn't work is because nearly everyone who contributes here, in good faith, knows the universal truth about life: there is good and bad in everything! I don't know of any perfect people, or any perfect manufacturer, or of any perfect tractor. A lot of times quality comes down to the luck of the draw. The big issue for me is how often do things go wrong with one make or another, but most importantly, what will the manufacturer do to make right a wrong, and how fast will they do it?

I listen to the wisdom and experience of the good folk who come here, and this helps me to be a better informed buyer, make good repairs, to be a better businessman, and a better person. My hat's off to all who had the cool to not fall for the bait!






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 09-26-2002, 15:20 Post: 42941
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Hey guys,
Just drove up to take a look at the damage, fender was bent and tire had a bark scuff mark on it. Looks like fender and tire took the brunt of the damage. To me, I think I could have kicked it and did more damage. Aluminium may stronger pound per pound but it seems to me to be a poor choice materials for a critical component like a tractors Axle housing unless you are looking for casting and machining savings. If tensile strength was an issue wonder why they didn't use graphite composite....Laughing out loud.... because graphite composite is tough get green paint to stick to so the buyer can't see the underneath material I bet.






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 09-26-2002, 15:42 Post: 42944
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Actually they paint the underside black.






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 09-26-2002, 17:57 Post: 42954
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OK I'M SORRY I HIT A NERVE WITH YOU JAPANESE FANS,I GUESS
I JUST GET TIRED OF THE KUBOTA BOYS BASHING THE JD'S.REALLY
CAN U JUDGE A TRACTOR HOW IT STANDS UP TO A TREE? OUR
TRUCK ENGINE HAVE PLASTIC OIL PANS AND VALVE COVERS,THEY
SEEM TO LAST OVER A MILLION MILES WITHOUT LEAKING....SO
MY POINT IS THAT IS THE ALUMINUM HOUSING BAD BECAUSE IT
WONT STAND UP TO A TREE????






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